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[-] Shareni@programming.dev 13 points 3 weeks ago

Discord, lol... At least use matrix if you're going down the road of suboptimal communication.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

It's baffling how many open source projects choose proprietary big tech systems for their projects, especially an inefficient comms tool like discord.

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 0 points 3 weeks ago

Inb4 "But it's easier for people to join, everyone has discord"

If someone can't take 2 minutes to register to a forum/Lemmy/whatever they're not going to give any good contributions to your community... Those are the same lazy bastards that create a post instead of literally googling their title and getting the answers immediately.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 6 points 3 weeks ago

Uh..."from scratch"? No thanks. I'm a big fan of GCC, and don't intend to learn to code without it.

[-] zirias@snac.bsd.cafe 4 points 3 weeks ago

I always had the idea in mind to one day code something in #C for the #C64. There's #cc65 offering a decent compiler. I always ended up with using #assembler again. That's because on that platform, it is the only way to have "full control": The OS only offers a machine code ABI (jump to routines, pass stuff in registers) and misses lots of things, so you need to program the hardware directly. Of course, I still use an assembler instead of hacking the bytes of the machine code directly.

Any Unix and similar OS comes with a C compiler, and even other systems offer a C API, so for a "modern" environment, that's the natural language to use for that "full control". And remember, C is your "portable assembler". 😏

In a nutshell, if you take "from scratch" literally, it would mean to somehow hack bytes into the machine's memory. That doesn't make much sense. I understand it as "use a simple programming language and avoid these huge frameworks and similar doing deep magical stuff for you".

CC: @modev@snac.bsd.cafe

[-] nebeker@programming.dev 2 points 3 weeks ago

Don’t mind me, I’m just picking the very best grains of sand to make my own silicon, like a real programmer (xkcd).

[-] Womble@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Imagine not creating your own universe and going through nucleosysnthesis to create your own silicon. People these days have no sense of craft...

[-] nebeker@programming.dev 2 points 3 weeks ago
[-] modev@snac.bsd.cafe 2 points 3 weeks ago
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