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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

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[-] Trilobite@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago

If I was on the jury it would be a not guilty from me

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The repeated mention of "jury nullification" here is a cop-out.

Jury nullification is essentially an admission that the law itself is conditionally unjust and the popular belief is that it should be ignored this time, nullified. So why pretend the legal system is always valid in the first place? I do not see the legal system as fair or representative of the people; if it was, this assassination wouldn't have ever happened. The laws are made by politicians and the politicians represent the owner class, those with enough money to purchase politics.

If you don't want to see the assassin prosecuted, if you too "didn't see anything", then why insist "murder is murder" when you clearly think this one doesn't deserve equal treatment? It's utopian idealism, the kind of rule that holds true in an ignorant vacuum experiment but not in this unfair rigged game of a world.

The appropriate sentence for this crime is: "Keep up the important work."

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[-] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out and how long it goes on for. I feel like every other shooting, even school shootings these days get the "thoughts and prayers" treatment. Then it's onto the next news at six and who won last night's game.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

Don't give a shit if he's prosecuted for it, I'd be a bit pissed if a jury convicts him.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 10 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly? Not really, you can't fault him. But I'd really rather if the executives could actually go to jail.

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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

No! But we could slice the CEO into small pieces.... Accidentally.... And accidentally drop the pieces in resin and sell them on eBay? Then when you go in for a healthcare review, you come in wearing the pendant.... "Oh this? Its the tip of his penis! I paid $300 for it, it was cheap!"

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[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 10 points 3 weeks ago

Yes.

Even in a unjust world mob justice isn't justice. This means a mob deciding someone is guilty and acting out punishment is unjust. But also a mob deciding a crime should go unpunished is unjust.

There's plenty wrong with how insurance works and plenty wrong with the justice system. But instead of giving up, we should be trying to fix these issues. It's all to easy to give in to our basic instincts and point to someone to blame. We punish them instead of fixing the issues. Killing one ceo might feel good, but it doesn't really change the big picture and in fact constitutes layer upon layer of failure. We should be better than that. History is full of people (singular and groups) being used as a scape goat to deflect and feel like something is being done, whilst in fact not actually fixing anything and just feeding hate.

Also in a capitalist world, the people with the most money have the most power. If we collectively decide it's open warfare, purge style distopia, they are going to have the upper hand. So purely from a self interest point of view, it would be better to work on fixing shit instead of reverting to monke.

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[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes.

Not because I think what he did was wrong, but because I want his motives to go on record and possibly have a jury nullification, as although it is illegal to murder people; we have fostered a world where people might be driven to do this due to corporate greed.

Edit: It should be noted that I have consumed hundreds of articles on this topic, watched countless videos, and browsed thousands of threads online. I am yet to see a substantial amount of people condemning this action. Which speaks volumes that everybody is united in thinking this is fine and we have no issue with it.

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[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, seems like a good person tbh. Dude should be elected mayor and then eventually rebuild all of reality or whatever Arrow did.

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[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Hell no. I hope they never find them. Just let it stand. The one who got away.

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[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I hope they never get the chance

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I’ve already received a ban on LW for benign comment when this story broke (like lots of others) and this community is on LW so I won’t give my opinion, but instead point out that more communities should move away from LW (and I definitely don’t mean to ml)

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

No. Not while there are people going hungry and living on the streets in the very same country those CEOs inhabit. If we have some semblance of equality I might just change my opinion.

[-] Pyrin@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

One way or another, he's going to be prosecuted. And that's just the reality of it. He can't run forever and he will be traced someday.

I'm just glad he did what so many Americans wish that they could do and continue daydreaming of doing.

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, the case could go cold. People have gotten away with murder before. Granted there's a ton of extra scrutiny in this situation, but there's a definite chance.

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[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

it's like someone revenging from the r4p1st of their daughter, who got away with it and was getting rich from it.
It is revenge from someone who destroyed their life. On top it's someone you don't have any legal route for justice against them.

So my answer is he should not be sentenced to anything more than 5 months max.

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[-] caboose2006@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, because murder is illegal. But if they never find the guy... That's okay too.

[-] nek0d3r@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

If that was a catalyst for many others to do the same instead of an isolated incident, we wouldn't have called it an assassination. We would have called it a revolution. In the kind of time and society we find ourselves in, this is the closest we'll ever get to a revolution. And I say, viva la revolución!

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

No, and if they do find him, the jury should vote not guilty and utilize jury nullification.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Follow up question: what is the purpose of the law? Why does it exist? What does that tell as about this case?

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[-] Chozo@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago

but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

I feel like that's your optimistic side speaking. My pessimistic side thinks this just encourages CEOs to hire more stringent security details, making themselves even more untouchable. I very much doubt that the intended lesson will be learned here.

[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, the old tug-of-war between justice and law.

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