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[-] Anissem@lemmy.ml 312 points 2 weeks ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 119 points 2 weeks ago

I'm glad that "rape" is in the headline. Too many try to sugar coat. "Sex with an underage...." etc.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 74 points 2 weeks ago

We're only getting that because the accused are black.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

No its because it's a he, it's usually "sex with a minor/student" if it's a woman perpetrator and rape if it's a man

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[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 66 points 2 weeks ago

How is this not a criminal charge...

I feel like going civil route is diluting the gravity of what actually went down.

Where did they find 13 year old to rape?

Where are fucking parents of these children?

Between CEO getting executed and another elite child rapist... Who fucking rules us?

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 68 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Who fucking rules us?

Sociopaths mostly I'd say.

There's a great Tom Waits song called God's away on business with some pertinent lyrics:

who are the ones we left in charge? Killers, thieves and lawyers

Great song btw.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 weeks ago

That's from Waits' stage adaptation of the famous German unfinished manuscript Woyzeck (Voy-chek), it was a song from act 1 setting the scene in which a working class man would be toyed with and experimented on by high society and the army, driven to madness and killing his wife and himself.

[-] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 35 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t know details of this, but when the lawyer had a press conference announcing info the first 100 lawsuits, he mentioned that a lot of the crimes were reported to authorities at the time, but for whatever reason, the crimes weren’t pursued.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago
[-] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago

Bingo.

I chose to use the word authorities and not cops specifically because it isn’t just cops that don’t care about the wellbeing of women. It’s incredibly frustrating for that to be the case in the year 2024, but it’s true.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 28 points 2 weeks ago

If you read the article, the alleged victim says she went to the VMAs without a ticket and started asking limo drivers if she could get into an afterparty. Diddy’s driver said she looked like what Diddy wanted.

[-] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 weeks ago

The allegations are that she was hanging out by the stage door after a show. Maybe she wanted an autograph or to meet her idol? But even if she specifically sought out these men because she wanted to have sex with them, and even if her parents were wildly irresponsible, there is no excuse for drugging and raping a child.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago

Jay agrees:

"These allegations are so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one!! Whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away, would you not agree?" Carter said in a statement to NBC News. "These alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case."

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 22 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah becuase he knows it can't be proven beyond reasonable doubt now and the has money to fight it.

They did get a conviction v Weinstein though.

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[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

Burden of proof is much higher in a criminal case. It's very hard to prosecute people for crimes that occurred 20+ years ago, but with a civil suit they are probably hoping for a settlement. Based on his statement, sounds like that's not going to happen.

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[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago

Because a criminal trial is an all-or-nothing charge, and if you fail to convince 1 juror, Jay-Z gets zero punishment for raping a 13 year old. Your odds of winning a civil trial over rape is much higher, and even if the defendant puts up a good case, you won't walk away empty handed.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

You can do both a criminal and a civil charge. Failing to convict on a criminal charge doesn't mean a civil case will go the same way. See OJ for example.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

You forgot another question: why nobody said shit in the past 24 years?

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 2 weeks ago

Many rape victims don't come forward until others do, if at all.

Going up against a couple of billionaire child-rapists isn't likely to get you anything other than slut-shamed at best. These are powerful people who can have you disappeared.

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[-] snowens@discuss.online 8 points 2 weeks ago

The statute of limitations is likely over

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't expect Jay-Z to get roped into this. But he's a big time musician and they seem to have felt like they can get away with raping teenage groupies for many decades now.

[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Makes me wonder how BIG would fit into all of this if he was still alive. I'm thinking it wouldn't be good for him either.

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[-] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 54 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Never meet your idols.
I seriously stopped being a fan of any public figure because people seeking public attention are mostly off-putting at least. Then come the narcissists and psychopaths, it gets only worse.

[-] qisope@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago

Never meet your idols

Especially if you're a teenage girl

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

if Jay-z is your idol then you really have bigger problems lol

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago

At least 99 of them

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

Or don't idolize idiots. Popstars and corporations washed the market so much that they are now accepted by the public as smart or cool. Not so many years ago everyone considered them trashy.

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Why the fuck is everyone in the comments jumping to conclusions and already slamming Jay? Everything is alleged and the accuser is anonymous. Let there be a ruling by the judge then we can make conclusions no?

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 26 points 2 weeks ago

He is a public figure who chose to associate himself with a sex pest...

Cope

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[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

From the entertainer 50 cent.

"Jay in hibernation he ain’t coming outside till this shit with puff blow over, no brunch, no lunch, No dinner. LOL 😆"

Please let's stop pretending when you hang out with pedophiles on the regular that it is just happenstance.

I am sure Jay slept with less underage girls than others during Diddy parties. In fact, I heard he hardly did it more than anyone else. I would say he slept with children the least out of all the other pedophiles.

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