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[-] SpaceIsReal@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Automated translation from Prigozhin's new statement

"Border guards were coming out to meet us and hugging our fighters after we crossed the state border... We will destroy anything that gets in our way"

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672381915431596034

"The current situation today was a rocket attack on us. After that the helicopters worked off. After that the artillery commands came from the Chief of General Staff to destroy the Wagner Cheka. After a meeting with Defense Minister Shoigu, where they made this decision to destroy the recalcitrant units, which are ready to defend their homeland, but their asses are not. At the moment we have crossed state borders in all places. Border guards were coming out to meet us and hugging our fighters. Now we are entering Rostov, a unit of the Ministry of Defense, or rather, the conscripts who were thrown to block our way, have stepped aside. We do not fight children, we do not kill children. Children are being killed. Shoigu throws untrained soldiers, including conscripts, into the war. He put 18-year-old boys against us, they are our children, they are all our grandchildren. So these guys will live and go back to their mothers. We only fight professionals. But if anyone gets in the way, we will destroy anything that gets in the way. We extend our hand to everyone. No need to spit in that hand. We move on. We go all the way. As for the statements about the arrests. This is brotherhood, this is justice, this is honor, this is conscience. That's what we have. And when you make statements, you don't have these feelings, you have destroyed these feelings. So you cannot understand anything but betrayal."

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[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago
[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

just saw this article on Moscow Times ( neutral, now in Amsterdam based news)

"Following speculation that he had de facto announced an armed revolt against Russia’s military, Prigozhin later added: “It is not a coup d’etat. It’s a march of justice. Our actions do not impede [regular Russian] soldiers at all.”

Whatever he said or meant, it's going to be chaos imo.

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago
[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

BREAKING AGAIN 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 AND AGAIN NEW PRIGOZHIN AUDIO

"Wagner shot down a Russian helicopter, which opened fire on the column" - Prigozhin

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672405889523785728?t=BWL1yHcvAS91Hivhgsf3GQ&s=19

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Footage allegedly showing Wagner column led by (*T-80BV) tank and BMP entering Rostov-na-Donu, bypassing roadblock and RosGvardia troops.

https://nitter.net/igorsushko/status/1672423351418232832#m

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[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

TikTok Kadyrov's Akhmat 'special forces' battalion has been tasked to stop Prigozhin from reaching Moscow.

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

Time to see once and for all whether the bastards are good for anything other than TikTok videos.

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[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Remember 97% of the Russian army is fighting in Ukraine right now, according to U.K. Defense Secretary Ben Wallace.

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Belarussian opposition seems to be rallying to take advantage of the chaos in Russia, but it is unclear if and how this will manifest.

https://nitter.nl/officejjsmart/status/1672535110791340033?s=12&t=xSYLnqsRVgAIYtAQOgKFIA

Machine-translated dubbed version of the video in the link

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

getting reports of heavy aircraft leaving rostov, this means they do not intend to hold the airport and are evacuating everything. thats a wagner win without a fight

[-] UnmeltedByRain@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Putin must wish he'd never invaded Ukraine. He had it so good before that total miscalculation.

Thanks for posting these updates.

[-] Noxvento@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Russian Army is now the second best army in 2 countries. Ukraine and Russia.

[-] hanse_mina@nafo.uk 6 points 1 year ago

@Noxvento @lenux12343 Soon to be the 2nd best army in Moscow.

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Putin makes televised national address. Summary of speech:

TL;DR - Wagner is committing a betrayal, a stab in the back like 1917, and will face "inevitable punishment".

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

So any remaining conspiracy thoughts of this being orchestrated by Putin as an awkward "out" are clearly gone. Also, this will more clearly set up direct armed confrontation between Wagner and the Russian armed forces. It's probably not that hard to get some of the regulars riled up against Shoigu and the MoD, but now Wagner has to convince them to go against Putin.

[-] UnmeltedByRain@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Listening to their intercepted phone calls, it seems like they mostly hate Putin for sending them to Ukraine.

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[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

No evidence as to whether this is actually occurring, or just an information space PsyOp, but Prigozhin claims that Gerasimov "gave an order for planes to bomb moving Wagner columns", killing civilians, and that some pilots refused to obey orders.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672387845749702658?cxt=HHwWhIC8idL4wbUuAAAA

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago
[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

On the Rostov-Moscow road in the area of ​​Kozachi Tabory, the first clash occurred between the advanced groups of the "Wagner" PMC, moving towards Moscow, and the units of the "Rosgvardiya".

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672368208165101568?t=W855aTSobKGA3ZDc9ur2yw&s=19

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Channel One ( 🇷🇺 Government propaganda announces a "special news release,” while running this programming.

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672364988189507584?t=tsObtm0-BCRsyu5aOCUIrA&s=19

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[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Security measures have been strengthened in Moscow and important facilities have been taken under enhanced protection - TASS

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672362169210380288?t=AjLVF8YX0n_EHB-38wbWQg&s=19

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[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Footage currently circulating right now reportedly showing Wagner vehicles moving south on the M4 towards Rostov. Traffic matches current google traffic data reports.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672401399613628416?t=nby8CTKPkHFINkvFe5fd-Q&s=19

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Rostov-based telegram channel says that the administration building, headquarters of the southern military districts and a police department (among other things) are cordoned off by unknown armed people in the city

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672431054328676353?t=KBMFFmT0VkpxzsDF0G_UkA&s=19

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Prigozhin says half of the Russian army is ready to join him.

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[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

JUST IN: Mayor of Moscow says that "anti-terrorist measures" are being taken to reinforce security in the city - TASS

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Footage of Prigozhin in Rostov, pictured with Deputy Minister of Defense, Colonel General Yunus-Bek Yevkurov (at left, from 0:13 on) — see the latter's official portrait photo for reference; looks like a match.

edit: and Lt. Gen. Vladimir Alekseyev, deputy chief of GRU military intelligence 1

Partial translation summary: Wagner issues orders to MoD commanders it has captured; will "blockade Rostov and go to [ed: towards?] Moscow until we get the Chief of the General Staff and Shoigu" 2, 3

  • Machine translation here. Highlight: Lt. Gen. Alekseyev tells Prigozhin, "the biggest thing that upsets me is... I hear there's a party in Kyiv. With champagne"

https://nitter.net/Tendar/status/1672463623078158337#m

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

The rats are leaving

[-] SpaceIsReal@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Videos of military vehicles on roads in Rostov Region have started to appear in Telegram channels.

Some of them clearly show government troops. Other vehicles are more difficult to identify - military trucks.

But it is not clear whether these are Wagner forces or a regular army.

It is also reported that part of the Rostov-Moscow highway is blocked.

In Rostov, according to Russian media reports, PMC Wagner is still neither seen nor heard.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672399393226473472

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

New statement by Prigo in reaction to Putin:

https://nitter.nl/wartranslated/status/1672536701997072384

❗️Prigozhin audio message 10:19AM BST - "no one will surrender to the demands of the President":

"Regarding the betrayal of the Motherland, the President is deeply mistaken. We’re patriots of our Motherland. We fought and we are fighting, all fighters of PMC Wagner. And no one is going to surrender to the demands of the President, FSB, or anyone else. Because we don’t want the country to live further in corruption lies, and bureaucracy.

When we fought in Africa, we were told that we needed Africa, and then they dumped it, because they stole all the money that was meant to come for help.

When we were told we are fighting with Ukraine, we went and fought. But it turned out that the ammo, weapons, all money put towards this were also being stolen, while officials are sitting and saving them for themselves for an incident that happened today, when someone is going towards Moscow."

Now they are not saving anything, they are striking us with planes and helicopters at the columns with civilians. And they hit civilians because they’re missing. And they hit anywhere they can.

Thus, we are the patriots, but those resisting us today are those who gathered around scumbags.

Audio: t.me/Prigozhin_hat/3812

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[-] FanfictionConsort@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I don't want to jump the gun, this could easily be Russian misinformation and logic dictates that I should treat it as such until we've got a hard confirmation, but PLEASE let this be real. Wagner and Russia engaging in infighting now would be absolutely perfect. I want the counteroffensive to have every edge it can get, and this would be one hell of an edge.

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

U.S. Officials have reportedly told CNN that they are “Closely Watching the Situation unfolding in Russia,” further stating that the Situation is very much Real.

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
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[-] arefx@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Woke up in the middle of the night to fail the three day poop challenge and see this news at 3:30am. I wonder what the ripple effects will be.

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[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Governor of the Rostov region says that "the current situation requires the maximum concentration of all forces to maintain order, adding that residents should not leave home unnecessarily - Mash

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672407064797118464?t=bh0mKIphlCc88uUQQhmXEg&s=19

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

BELARUS 🇧🇾 REBELLION

Belarussian soldiers, who are supporting Ukraine 🇺🇦, have called on Belarussian citizens to unite behind what is transpiring with Wagner, to liberate Belarus of Russia 🇷🇺.

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672535110791340033?t=LMbSF53EahGEwmbqhNez4A&s=19

[-] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

At least 3 killed as Russian An-24 crashed (was shot down) near Kantemirovka of Voronezh region

https://t.me/bazabazon/18858

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago
[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Telegram channel with apparent links to the Russian security forces reports that rarely-used security plan "Krepost" (Fortress), intended to repel an attack on security force installations in Moscow, has now been activated.

https://mastodon.social/@ChrisO_wiki/110595793811784562

Edit: the BBC is reporting the same for Rostov.

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Wagner needs to survive 24 hours, this coup will in no doubt help Ukraine, the goal is to allow the infighting to continue

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Footage allegedly showing Wagner tanks surrounding the Defence Ministry building in Rostov-na-Donu

And unidentified infantry (claimed to be Wagner, but indeterminate) occupying the building

[-] SpaceIsReal@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

More videos from the Southern Military District HQ. The Telegram channel says there are soldiers in the building and there are up to 300 Wagner fighters in Rostov. Some of the vehicles are military police.

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1672444417083416578

(Maybe the most impressive videos I've seen from today so far)

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Incoming reports of Wagner Group soldiers leaving their missions in Africa and Syria to join the military coup in Russia against Putin.

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Military and police checkpoints reportedly being established in Moscow city centre tonight

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1672360997565153285?t=vrGmUqCQw_lzfh8a6eyrHQ&s=19

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
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