I disagree but unless we get actual data on why people are choosing not to have kids then we don't really know for sure.

I'd say the major reason is wealth inequality, cost of living, inflation, housing prices, etc. Everything's too expensive... everything. It's getting to the point that life isn't even worth living anymore, as its just a repetitive cycle to work and pay bills. I both can't afford to have a kid, nor would I want to bring one into this hellscape.

Again no way to know the real reasons unless we get the data.

yea same. condoms suck.

Gotta share the best practices, its like the postmarket os matrix chat where tech enthusiasts support each other improving builds ;)

I mean, yeah, why not? There are international whatevers for almost anything, specially professional practices. It's less cumbersome and cheaper than relying on regulatory bodies to organize and run conventions or seminars. Most of these chats are informal and born from that kind of events as well.

Something I also learned from working with the health sector is that there are really very few 100% dedicated to their niche specialists in every area. Sure, there are many heart surgeons, but very few experts on ventricular septal defect surgery on children. And some of that stuff can be so complex as to be a sole area of dedicated study. It allows these kind of informal forums and encourages a strong mentor-apprentice dynamics. So it is not rare they hit the group chat every once in a while. I also learned there are over a dozen different ways to make a vasectomy procedure and some doctors know how to do a few but not all of them and there are reasons to prefer some over the others depending on the patient.

Welcome to the Internet - you're new here, I take it?

Let's not forget about child care, cause you know, in this economy both parents typically need to work to keep their heads financially above water.

that really isn't a solution

why not? are you afraid of johnny whitebread "real" ~~murican~~ canadian getting....replaced?

the fact that the 1% is shitting their pants over the declining birthrate makes me think it's fan fucking tastic. every industry's profit margin suffers from fewer babies. less money is spent on food, gas, clothes, giant SUVs, toys, medicine--literally everything you buy for yourself, you're also buying for your kids for 18 years. unless you don't have kids.

those poor, poor shareholders.

fuck them. low birthrate = GOOD.

also, please--who wants to have a kid just so they can explain to them why they're growing up in a toxic wasteland?

The female procedure is a lot more invasive than the male procedure. That's why I had mine done instead of my wife undergoing the surgery.

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And, yes I do realize that's not the point you were trying to make. But it is a factor.

More people seem to be choosing child free living because of the state of the world and economy rn. I don't blame them.

Get pets like me!

I've never had kids. Got it done down in TX. Told the doc I've never wanted them and didn't want to pay for anymore abortions.

I did it fully conscious with local anesthesia because I had no one to pick me up and look after me if I took the knockout gas. There were a couple tiny pricks of pain next to the base of my penis, then numbness. An unpleasant tugging sensation in each testicle when he positioned my vas deferens to cut, cauterize, and clamp the ends. That was the worst part, but like I say, it didn't hurt. Aside from that, I nervously wisecracked with the nurses, who politely laughed and joked back. Then I put my pants back on, paid the bill (ouch!), drove myself home, and spent the weekend getting high and playing video games with frozen gel packs under my balls. All that felt like was the dull tenderness you get a little while after a blow to the junk. Totally manageable. I took some Advil or something.

Against advice, I returned to my strenuous job 3 or 4 days afterwards, and jerked off repeatedly much sooner than suggested. I've experienced zero complications, but ymmv. Taking my wisdom teeth out was much worse. Getting a tattoo is far more painful. It was a bit worse than getting my ears pierced, but healed faster.

8/10 Would totally repeat the experience just for the days off with zero responsibilities. My only regret is I didn't do it at 18.

Was really nbd. Gave me a local. Felt no pain at the time. Spent the next day in bed with ice on it. A little soreness, cleared up quickly. Way better than a kidneystone, fwiw.

There was an initial consultation, where the doctor told me that quite a few childless men want to get the procedure reversed later, but you should consider it "not reversible." Not a problem for me.

On the day I entered a very small room with a reclined chair. The lights were dimmed. The only pain was a brief "pinch" during anesthesia. This was "needleless" anesthesia with some kind of aerosol device, but a needle probably would have been about the same. Needles don't bother me, so I considered this a gimmick.

It was done a lot faster than I thought. I was chatting with the urologist the entire time. The stitches were in a different part of my scrotum than I imagined they would be (higher up). Initial recovery was fine, but a couple weeks later I did have some post-op pain that was pretty bad. NSAIDS, suprisingly, helped quite a bit. This recurred a few times a year for about five years and then never again. It was not an infection. From what I understand this is a rare side effect, but possible. For a lot of people it's totally painless, but that was my experience.

men should be more responsible when it comes to birth control and not leave it up to women

Men literally only have 2 options: condom or vasectomy. Condoms don't feel good for either side, which is why both try to avoid using them. Vasectomies can be reversible, but require surgery and thus are costly, which of course makes it impossible or at the very least much less attractive for a large portion of society.

Yes, men can buy underwear that heats up their balls to temperatures that kill sperm, but I'd like you to go around spreading the word of discomfort through sweaty balls and see how far you get.