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At McDonald's, I saw that their sweet tea comes from a plastic bag inside a metal container, which stays in there all day. That doesn’t seem sanitary. Then I found out some places, like Olive Garden, heat soup in plastic bags by putting them in hot water. Isn’t this like leaving a water bottle in a hot car, where plastic leaches into the liquid? How is this okay? Like, I feel like that would be so explicitly illegal in other countries. Taking a big plastic bag of soup and just throwing it in water for the plastic to obviously separate from the bag and be intermingled with the food...

It sounds a lot like poison, like it's literally poisonous. Like how is this okay in the USA?

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[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Wait till you hear the chlorine washed chicken news!

Chickens in the USA are typically "battery chickens", which is actually about as brutal as it sounds. They're kept in way too small spaces, unable to move around, and stand and sit in their own feces all day.

The chlorine wash helps them pass lab tests for lack of pathogens, because small amounts of chlorine get onto the test samples and kill the bacteria, but the chlorine is only surface deep. Salmonella is endemic, and many chickens' undersides are actually rotting from being in their own filth all day. But if the bacteria test passes, it's fine and the big corporation buying the cheap chicken doesn't care.

Salmonella infections and food poisoning generally are relatively high as a result of these kind of profit-driven practices.

The boil in the bag thing isn't a big deal by comparison, but no, the USA does not have strong food safety standards, the USA has strong lobbying and openly legal corporate funding of politicians that would be seen as corruption in many other countries.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Another reason to stay as far away as possible from there

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 42 points 6 days ago

Not sure if you're aware, but sanitary just means that there's no microbial growth that would cause illness.

That's a separate food from plastics leeching.

[-] noxypaws@pawb.social 30 points 6 days ago

The sugar in the sweet tea is probably far more dangerous than its food-grade packaging

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Indeed! Sugar is a chemical!

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago

Soup in plastic bags is the standard in most industrial kitchens all over the world.

Especially when you heat them 'au bain marie' it's safe-ish. I don't store food in plastic containers because even food grade plastic leaches but it's generally allowed.

[-] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 22 points 6 days ago

first the bag thing is not even remotely a us only thing, and second heating food in plastic is sanitary (bc that refers to cleanliness). idk what term would be best for heating food in plastic, but I do agree it should be banned.

[-] piecat@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago
[-] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 8 points 6 days ago

I had forgotten about that... maybe instead of banning it outright it should be restricted to plastics that are certified heating-safe. in hindsight that should've been my take from the start as it aligns much better with my political views (in this case, it matters that I believe most things should only be restricted and not banned outright, an easy example being substances like weed and alcohol).

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

Nobody tell them about aluminium soda cans

[-] Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 6 days ago

Or about freezing nearly expired foods.

[-] Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 6 days ago

Lol, no.

And within the next four years, it'll be non-existent.

Ive seen boil in the bag food in the UK. Not really sure what the issue is.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've seen troopies boil the foil ration bags in the hot water, and then use the hot water for tea.

And we (twitch) turned out fine.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago

Feel free to crosspost to !AskUSA@discuss.online

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 7 points 6 days ago

You sound like an aspiring journalist. Good luck with it.

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Ya you’re being poisoned no matter where you live. Get used to it.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 6 days ago

USA bad. Uplemmy left

[-] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 98 points 1 week ago

Cooking a food in a sealed plastic bag is referred to as “Sous Vide”, and was invented in 1974 by the french. It can also be performed in a glass jar, so we definitely could remove the plastic from the equation, but there are “food safe plastics” which have been demonstrated to have no known health issues when used for this purpose.

Some plastics, like BPA or PVC, are dangerous to consume/do easily leach into food/water, but “plastic” is a very broad term that refers to a lot of different materials.

Note: microplastics are a whole different story, and we’re not really sure how bad they are for you. It is perfectly reasonable to ask the question, but society at large has essentially decided the convenience outweighs the risk, and good luck trying to avoid it in your food.

[-] piecat@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

I'm willing to bet that you'll get more microplastics from the food itself (meat, plants, water) than the bag.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago

Some plastics are more stable than others. That said, we are admittedly far too lackadaisical with them in general.

To answer your direct question, we do have an FDA that does a passable job with some things, salmonella outbreaks, emergency vaccine development, stuff like that. There is probably some regulatory capture at play, though, where business interests get their people appointed into oversight roles. When a full half of our government is so vocally and rabidly pro-business, this is difficult to prevent in the long run.

[-] LostXOR@fedia.io 51 points 1 week ago

A plastic bag in a metal container sounds about as sanitary as it gets. It's far better to keep the tea in a sterile bag until it's needed rather than pouring it into another, potentially contaminated, container and storing it there.

[-] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Based on your post let me ask you this: what would be more sanitary? Just to show this isn't a post in bad faith

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This post is all over the place, conflating plastic leeching with sanitary concerns, throwing out vague concerns and then panicking that there must be NO standards. To really answer it would require giving someone a comprehensive education in food safe materials science, likely fighting though many dearly-held misconceptions along the way. Anyone who thinks that plastic touching food is a health risk must have all their meals brought to them on a plate, and have no idea how food is delivered to stores or packaged for sale.

[-] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

The question was rhetorical, I never expected OP to reply. Based on his other replies he's just doing what he's paid to do

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Remind me to not get you a Sous Vide kit for chistmas.

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[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago

I'd worry less about the sweet tea and more about how contaminating your laundry is given the amount of plastic microfibers washing away with the waste water. Polyester is plastic. You deliver microfiber bits of plastic into the wastewater with every load of wash. How much of that is really filtered out?

If you end up in the ER or hospital, you will have an up close and personal experience with plastic. Blood: in a plastic bag. Plasma: in a plastic bag. Platelets: in a plastic bag. IV fluids: in a plastic bag. The tubing that delivers any of those things directly into your bloodstream: plastic. The syringes used: plastic. The IVs placed in your veins: plastic, including the catheter that sits inside your vein for the duration (heated to 98 degrees). The wrappers on each individual pill: plastic. The bottles the pills originally come in: plastic. Thermometer covers: plastic. The tubing used during dialysis: plastic. Tube feeding: plastic bottle of food fed through plastic tubing directly to stomach. A chemist or engineer could detail out what type of plastic is used and whether it's a potential problem far better than I.

I question the "biodegradable" items used with seedlings. Why is the mesh from the Burpee peat pucks still fully intact in my compost pile after 4 years? Pucks baked wetly on a heating mat. Buy seedlings? Probably baking in the sun at a garden center in a cheap plastic pot.

A lot of shelf stable food is stored in plastic, and we don't know how hot or cold its getting in the trucks or warehouses before it hits store shelves.

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