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[-] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your own link says only the judge saw them, nobody else, and they won't be seen by anybody else until the case is over & nothing can be done to them. Never mind the info provided sounds like it's not terribly useful.

Actually, the judge opened the sealed cover, perused the contents thoroughly, then asked WMF counsel "How can these addresses be verified?" to which the reply was "These are all we have, and the website does not conduct verification of its users". The ANI counsel assisted his opponent by saying that service on the editors (D2-D4) is complete, they have not appeared, so can we please move on to my defamation takedowns. The judge then resealed the covers. So it can be safely inferred that WMF did not give ANI anything, and ANI never wanted the D2-D4 details at all, it was only a procedural formality so ANI can take on the "Wikimedia method/model" directly which is troubling all their SPAs/IPs. On a procedural note, once the case is complete and judgment given, the sealed covers are opened and anyone can inspect its contents. So nothing to fret over. Storm in a teacup.

[-] Jozav@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As a European, I wonder if I can be protected via EU law?

If the foundation decides to share the details of the involved editors, a large group of contributors could quit their accounts and ask for removal of their contributions.

Considering the structure of Wikimedia, this will be a near impossible task, it may bring them to European courts next for violating EU law???

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 1 week ago

They could ask for removal, and Wikipedia has made efforts in the past to batch-remove big stuff for similar reasons, but the foundation wouldn't be obligated to do so, because it was all contributed under a free license.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights#Contributors'_rights_and_obligations

[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago

Wikipedia kowtows to every fascist government that asks them to. Remember when they banned users who called the Holodomer a genocide against the Ukranians by the Russians?

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 14 points 1 week ago

So Wikipedia hosted content objectionable to India's government, refused to take it down, was requested to provide identities of the users who provided it, refused, fought in court, appealed, and then offered a compromise which would involve keeping the identities of the users under seal but still allowing the court proceedings to go forward to whatever extent the government wanted to push the issue? That doesn't exactly sound like kowtowing to anyone who asks.

I'm not completely familiar with the issue, but that all is what it sounds like to me. I do understand the point of view that they should have thumbed their nose at the court and let whatever happens happen, but that's not always a good way, and refusing to do that isn't always capitulation.

Also, do you have a citation on that ban? That sounds to me like unreliable narration of bans that happened for some other reason. The Holodomor article talks about genocide, summarizing the contested topic, and the talk pages have some lively debates about whether or not it's a genocide and how things should be presented.

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