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[-] nzeayn@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

"have things gotten bad enough for you all to see it our way yet?" "no?" "ok we'll be here doing absolutely nothing until you're ready to accept our system of power over the current one"

why would i rely on or work with rEVoLuTiOnArY leftists, when the closest thing to a plan thats ever presented is allowing things to deteriorate until people are suffering enough to follow them?

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 135 points 1 week ago

That's absolutely not the long term effect of voting for the lesser evil.

That's the effect of more people voting for the greater evil.

[-] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Under first-past-the-post systems, as long as there are other people who support the greater evil, and evil's willing to use its power to increase its influence (whether that's removing anti-bias laws that restrict the press, raising limits on campaign donations, or more directly, things like gerrymandering), you'll get the shift towards evil from voting for the lesser evil, as the lesser evil will chase after the voters who vote for evil.

However, plenty of people notice that, and post memes like this one that encourage voting for a third party with no hope of winning or not voting at all, which only serves to accelerate the effect, as the lesser evil has to attract an even greater share of the evil demographic's vote to have any hope of winning. People say that voting third-party demonstrates to the lesser evil that it's worth courting non-evil voters, but that can't have any effect until the next election, and in the meantime, you're stuck with maximum evil for a whole term, and the hurdles to overcome grow larger.

The best hope is to start campaigning for a third party or non-evil candidate for the lesser evil party immediately after an election instead of leaving it until right before an election, as that hopefully gives enough time for support to grow enough that the lesser evil party will see non-evil as a meaningful demographic that's worth aligning with. It's not guaranteed to work, but if it doesn't, either evil is genuinely a majority and the democratic thing is to be evil, or the system isn't a democracy, and there's no way to remove evil by voting, so alternatives need to be considered.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 20 points 1 week ago

So this image is positing that "left" is lesser evil and "right" is greater evil.

Just before line two, the greater evil has won. Because more people voted for the greater evil.

If more people had voted for the lesser evil, lines two through four would be reversed, and the result would be less evil.

Of course, the whole thing presumes that bOtH sIdEs are some unacceptable level of evil. Now, don't get me wrong, there are problems that need resolving, regardless of what kind of politics is involved. How and whether those problems get solved depends heavily on what kind of politics is involved.

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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 70 points 1 week ago

...and here's the short term effects of failing to resist the greater evil:

Voter apathy just handed us another 4 years of Trump. The lesser evil is looking pretty fucking good right now.

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So we should vote for the more evil?

[-] Darorad@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, you should vote for a different lesser evil that they prefer even though it will be even less effective

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[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

Don't say that without proposing a better solution.

[-] hobovision@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Their only solution is wait until enough people become leftists to have a successful revolution. They'll say it with a straight face like it's a realistic near-term plan.

[-] Darorad@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Are you suggesting that a feeling of moral superiority while things get worse isn't a better solution?????

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[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

In a two-party FTTP system, we really have no choice. Not voting for the “lesser evil” benefits the “greater evil,” every time.

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[-] MrVilliam@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago

No, this is the long term effect of voting for "eLeCtAbLe" politicians in primaries. Putting a centrist in the general to run against the right in hopes of pulling voters from the right DOES NOT FUCKING WORK. Can we please finally accept that and move on?

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[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago
[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 13 points 1 week ago

This reminds me of when Trump used the Sharpie to extend the NOAA circle on that map

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