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As a millennial I'm on team, "Work starts at 9, show up at 9"... but if you're a little late here and there, whatever. So long as the work gets done.
I’m paid to solve problems, not warm a chair and let my manager look over my shoulder constantly.
I would be this way but I started my career in Boston and the T and the busses and the tunnels there make anything close to this impossible. If you actually wanted to be on time you’d be showing up 20 minutes early just as often as 15 minutes late. To truly always be on time would mean planning to get there an hour early every day.
Companies downtown here know just not to put meetings between 9 and 10 because it’s just impossible that every single member of a team will make it to work without issues even once a week. I’d guess even hourly jobs give more flexibility than you’d expect from a standard employer here because it’s just such a clusterfuck to transit in Boston
The further into the burbs you get, the more hardcore companies are about enforcing a 9-5.
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Ten minutes late to a meeting? Go somewhere else and make someone else's life harder. Ten minutes late to holding a chair down? I don't care if you're on the moon, just get your shit done.
10 minutes is on time. Unless you work with shifts, where other people need to wait for you.
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I'm Gen X and the last job I had that required me to work a specific shift was in the kitchen of a pizza place in 1988.
In my first job after college, I asked the business administrator what hours I was expected to work, and she was noticeably confused by the question. She told me most folks show up around 9.l, but made it clear that it was up to me.
In my next job, I asked how to request PTO, and my boss told me he doesn't care about the record keeping. He said just let him know when I won't be there, and as long as everything keeps working he doesn't care if I'm ever there.
Even in my current position when they introduced time clocks and we had to clock in before our start time, we were allowed to specify our start time. I chose 10:00am. I normally get in around 7am, so I figured if I'm not going to be in by 10, I'll just take the day off.
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I manage Gen Z, Millenials, Gen X, and Boomers. Yes, all of the above. My experience is that the Gen Z types strive for quality of work and will give you their best once they understand the mission and accept it. The Gen X and Boomers very often get stuck int he performative parts of work: dress, dates and times, etc, and focus less on the quality of work. Millenials are a bit of a mix.
One of my best jobs I was consistently late to, and eventually I asked my manager about it.
She said I was outpacing the other workers in productivity (editing pages of copy) and she wasn't going to push the matter.
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Sorry, but if you're expected at 10 you should arrive at 10. Doesn't matter if it is work, a meet-up with friends or family, a date, or whatever. People schedule things around you, they'll expect you at 10, not 10 minutes later. So if you come late, it means you're not respecting other people's time, which means you don't respect other people.
You said it yourself: arrive to scheduled things on time. Meetings with others, for example. If you're going to do desk work, ten minutes more or less is irrelevant.
If you don't have anything to do with me on Tuesday morning but get uppity because I came in at 9:07 instead of 9:00 even though it affected nobody at all, that's a you problem, and please respect me by keeping it to yourself.
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If you need to be there at a specific time, be professional and be there. If other workers are depending on you to be there, be there. Being tardy just ‘cause, is pretty pathetic. In an ideal world, none of us would have to work. But we do, so show up.
Depends entirely on the job.
If you are interacting with people or have meetings, sure, promptness is important and polite.
If you are doing design work, or coding, or data driven jobs where you don't really interact with anyone and just work for 8 hours, then who gives a shit if you work from 8-4 or 8:10-4:10? Fuck off if you think that makes a difference. 8 hours is 8 hours. End of story.
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Depends on the work and if people depend on you being on time. Applying one rule doesn't really make sense, but neither does RTO or a lot of work culture.
this post was submitted on 23 Dec 2024
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