US probes China chip industry on ‘anticompetitive’ concerns (www.dawn.com)

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Abundance is humanist economics. Accusations of dumping are too easy to make baselessly. A solution to accusations of overabundance is to make a government bought stockpile. A path to protecting domestic competitors is to let them resale from your stockpile.

China puts a 25% export charge on steel. Can't call that dumping. Its ev solar battery competitive advantages, are largely the result of being a manufacturing nexus, and market for tooling and automation, and near the largest market for all goods. Largest companies in sector are generally profitable, which negates dumping accusation

It would be surprising if chips accusation are any more real than other baselessness.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lmao China is not the anticompetitive one. Remind me who has done everything in their power to prevent China from acquiring domestic chip manufacturing on par with US financed Taiwan? Who is placing tariffs on all Chinese products and banning their EV's and solar panels for being too effective for their price?

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

From the other perspective, which side is stealing the others' IP? If China gets modern fabs, they'll produce knockoffs of modern tech products and produce better weapons. If China was a better actor, the US wouldn't be as aggressive in stopping their progress.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

I dont believe in IP nor value it in any way

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The US does, and that explains their behavior toward China.

Edit: Let's make it personal.

How would you feel if a bully took credit for all of your ideas? You make up a game, and the bully takes credit for it and gets everyone to play with them instead of you because they're more popular. Or let's say you write an essay for school, and the bully steals it and puts their name on it. How would you feel? Nobody likes having their ideas taken, which is why things like copyright and patents exist.

China is that bully. They'll take peoples' ideas, produce things cheaper, and not give credit/royalties.That's a dick move.

I'm not happy with current IP law, but that doesn't mean IP law is invalid, it just needs to change.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

You misunderstand, I do not believe in intellectual property and I think copyright law shouldn't exist. I do not believe in private ownership of property (note that I am not referring to personal property, private property is for making profit). I understand that copyright law is a necessity in capitalist society but I am not gonna be mad at China for "bullying" the capitalists I already hate. Our owning class is just mad about having actual competition for once in a few decades. These aren't schoolboys who had their paper stolen by a bully, they are the richest people in the world doing everything in their power to make sure it stays that way.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

10-20 years ago they were stealing tech most likely. They mostly innovate today, though legacy chips is a misnomer in that it refers to legacy fab tech good enough to make new chips for undemanding purposes.

[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago

Not like China is competing fairly when their workforce is made up of slave labor from "reformed" minorities.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have no information on China's use of slave labor but I can tell you that America allows business to "hire" their predominately BIPOC/immigrant prisoners for significantly lower than minimum wage. Considering these prisons can be and often are private you have enterprises buying and selling people and their labor for profit. Is this not slavery on a mass scale? Does America not purposefully maintain a disproportionately large prison population per capita and do everything it can to make sure it stays that way? Have you ever wondered why this country's solution to its problems is always more cops and more guns?

How can we even criticize another country for their use of forced labor when we have done nothing to address our own. How can you be certain China is even doing that and it isn't just deflection by US capitalist to distract us from much more pressing domestic issues. How can you trust a capitalist and the media conglomerates they all own to critique a socialist society in good faith?

[-] BMTea@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In an alternative universe where Europe isn't US-dependent, they may be sanctioning the US for racialized prison labor because their tech companies can't compete.

[-] BMTea@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Uyghur forced labor laws the US has put the onus on firms to prove a negative, that their dealings in China are essentially unconnected to any enterprise that has Uyghur workers because the US has a blanket accusation of "slave labor" when it comes to basically all industry in Xinjiang. The US also does not think Uyghur labor is a significant factor in China's competitiveness becausd guess what, there are 1 billion+ non-Uyghurs responsible for that.

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