Would you be for a death penalty in cases where you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person that is accused is the perpetrator? And by shadow of a doubt, I am not referring to the very loose standards that most law enforcement relies on. I mean that the person was caught in the act.
In my case, no...for two reasons.
First, you can never be 100% sure you have the right person (especially given a lengthy history of police falsifying evidence, etc., and there can always be other factors involved). If you incorrectly put someone in jail you can attempt to make amends later, but how do you make amends to a person you murdered?
Second, given how human beings have evolved and how their brains function, life in solitary would be a far worse punishment if the goal is to punish or make them suffer for their crime. If your goal isn't punishment or reform, but instead simple revenge, then I suppose this argument wouldn't carry much weight for you.
I feel you are misunderstanding me. I am not asking about hypotheticals where the police lie. I am saying that in a hypothetical where YOU can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt.
It's not about rehabilitation or punishment. It's about logistics. If there is a dog that repeatedly attacks other people, children and dogs and rehabilitation has failed. The only recourse would be to terminate that dog as it is unsafe for society for the dog to be allowed out. Sure, you could build a secure containment facility to house your inmate dog but at what cost. At that point you are then taking resources that could be better spent to help people in need to contain a problem that will not be solved. I am actually in agreement with you that it's a far crueler punishment to keep somebody alive in a non autonomous position that they would hate.
He's got some real skill at expressing inarticulate, impotent rage.
And if there were a Hell, Trump would be headed for the least pleasant precinct in it.
He's already there, and we're living in it with him. This is the bad place.
Yeah but I actually think he is one of the Demon actors
I'm pretty sure his hell would be serving in a soup kitchen for thousands of years. Volunteering.
Trump is sad that he only gets execute one of the remaining three. The other two (Dylan Roof and Robert Bowers) are destined for bigger things in the Trump cabinet.
Why do we have to hang on every word this fucking arsehole says? He's an utter cretin.
Four years.
Four goddamn years I had to wake up every day and pay attention to what asinine shit the President of the United States tweeted.
Because, unfortunately, that utter cretin had the nuclear button.
And now we have to endure another four years of the same.
Shit, for all the bad things you can say about Biden, you can at least say that whenever you heard a story start with "Today, the president said..." in the news, you weren't immediately going "ah fuck here we go". Four years I dealt with that kind of reflexive dread.
God, I wish I could just slip into a coma until 2029.
Honestly, if we get out of this one without some sort of nuclear exchange, I’m going to be mildly shocked. Remember: this is the guy who had to be talked down from nuking a fucking hurricane, and apparently it took a while to convince him it wasn’t the sharpest idea.
Well the media invested a lot of time and effort to get him elected and now they want to cash in on all that hard work.
Personally I'd like to keep up with the Canada comments considering he's threatening to annex our fucking country. Americans, fix your country
He sure does talk a lot of shit about death penalty for someone who allegedly committed high treason, punishable by death.
Why I don't support the death penalty.
Not to mention that no other OECD country except for Japan still has it.
Before I clicked this link, I already had visions of that kid with tears in his eyes as they put him in the electric chair... and hoped that it wasn't the same one.
I'm surprised to learn he's 14, he looks 9!
I have two reasons why I'm against it.
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Innocent people will get sentenced. There's no way around that. Sententing an innocent person to death is among the greatest injustices I can think of so I'll rather have someone guilty walk free. Granted that sentencing an innocent person to life in prison aint that much better but this is where the second reason comes in.
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I don't believe in free will. Punishing someone for something they did is not compatible with the way I see the word*. It's like punishing a grizzly bear for attacking a person. If you're danger to society you should be locked up one way or another but not as a punishment but to keep others safe. I think that even if you're a murderer you should be treated well and we should figure out a way for them to live relatively normal lives behind the bars. They can't help themselves. They didn't choose to be born that way and thus shouldn't be punished as if they could have acted otherwise.
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Risk of consequences still works as a deterrence and that "punishment" be it fine or jail time should still be carried out because otherwise it loses its credibility.
In extreme cases sure, tho I feel the need to point out the context of the vats majority of criminals being conditioned into crime by their surrounding. Poverty and discrimination come to mind among others. I my opinion the best way to prevent anything is to hit it at its source, in this case making every day life more livable. Not only does that mean life must be comfortably affordable, but mental health should also be a top priority.
I don't disagree with any of that nor do I feel like it goes against anything I just said.
Doesn't point 2 kind of justify execution too? We're not chosing to execute that action it was pre-determined that we would execute that person from the moment the universe began.
Just because it happened doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake that we can learn from. In that regard, it was not justified.
Now if you are talking about taking the same action in a parallel universe, then that definitely depends on the perspective you're modelling.
I feel like you're considering death penalty to be the default, but if the same logic is applied while considering lifetime in prison as the default, the result would be the opposite.
And considering that death of age looks to me more natural, I'm inclined to think no death penalty should be the default
but he was the first "president" to march in the "pro life" rally 🙄
Reminder that about 1 in 25 people on death row are estimated to be innocent.
Reminder trumps been found very very guilty.
He should do that himself, he would be right at home.
We don't want him
Old man yells at clouds
In the great Christmas spirit.
Actually he said "Governor" Trudeau
were just given, incredibly, a pardon by Sleepy Joe Biden
dumfuk lying again. on purpose. trying to get the cult riled-up over 'pardons' that didn't happen.
a commuted sentence is not a pardon.
these 37 men are still guilty. they are still in jail.. for life.. without parole. they will remain there and never be released.
The best part is nobody fucken knows what that means and they just believe these dudes are instantly set upon the streets.
Who the fuck cares what this guy writes on Christmas. Dude just says the same ignorant shit over and over to rile up his supporters.
A tyrant's rage
A nation divide
Like toddlers tears
When rattles denied
"That was my thing!"
Now broken plans
As he wipes a tear
with little hands
Biden stole
His hateful thunder
Who's next in sight?
I mustn't wonder.
"You first."
He’s so damn embarrassing. What the heck did I just read
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