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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 13 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I don't really see how the Uncommitted movement could have done anything differently. They had pretty simple demands: let a Palestinian speak at the DNC, meet with families of Palestinians, meet with our leadership. The Harris campaign ignored all of those requests, so in the end, they declined to endorse her, but still urged their supporters not to vote Trump or third-party.

Endorsing her just wasn't an option, given that she did nothing to meet them halfway. If your spouse is abusive, and you say, "If you ever treat me like that again, I will leave you," then you have to leave them if their behavior doesn't change. Otherwise, you are just inviting more abuse. If you tell a politician, "These are the minimum actions you must take to earn our endorsement," and they ignore you, you can't endorse them anyway. Otherwise, you're announcing your demands carry no weight.

The Abandon Harris (previously Abandon Biden) movement was more hard-line, and the Democrats were clearly too centrist and hawkish to meet their demands for an immediate arms embargo But the Uncommitted movement offered reasonable steps that the Harris campaign could have taken to win over Arab Americans, and she flat out ignored them. She is clearly to blame for not taking that offramp.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 38 points 14 hours ago

“He at least, at least came and spoke to the Muslims. He heard them and said, ‘OK, I will finish. I will end the war in Middle East,’ even if he didn’t say, you know, a genocide, but he said he will bring peace,” she said. “And that’s what the people wanted to hear, and that’s why he got the votes.”

He's going to "end it" by rushing it to its conclusion you morons! Holy fuck! 🤦‍♂️

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 32 points 14 hours ago

It kind of proves the point that the DNC should have listened to them instead of plugging their ears and walking past them.

Harris didn't even have to have any plans, but listening was too hard for them. Will they learn from it or blame others? Let's find out.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 10 points 13 hours ago

It rather proves how flawed the concept of democracy is. People can't be expected to make rational decisions. This is why candidates fill their campaigns with lies and cheap rhetoric. Because morons will believe it. Sure we'll all complain later about how "politicians always lie" but the people wanted that anyway.

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Trump didn't listen to them, and he won their vote. So if anything, this proves they wanted someone more like Trump.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 12 hours ago

Trump did though. Not advocating for his policies but his campaign interacted with Arab voters a lot more than Harris's.

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

Harris/Walz visited Wayne County 12 times. Plus another 3 visits by Biden.

Trump/Vance only visited 8 times.

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

So you are saying that trump connected with Muslim votes more than Harris and Trump visited them even less? So trump had less opportunities to connect to these voters and (pretend to) listen to them. Harris couldn't outperform trump with the quality of visits?

I agree that Harris and the DNC do have lessons to learn but I don't think they will. They will continue to blame the voters that they won't listen to.

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[-] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago

As opposed to dragging it out to the same exact conclusion?

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

Democrats have made it very clear that they're okay with the final solution as long as its spread out on a long enough timescale

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

This is the true meaning of incrementalism.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 20 points 14 hours ago

Elabed decided not to vote at the top of the ticket this year and focused instead on downballot races.

Elabed said she feels crushed by the reality of four years of the Trump administration’s policies toward Israel

😑

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

at the end of the day Democrats had their check writers to think about which is why they intentionally lost

Harris consistently had wins handed to her on gold platters and Harris repeatedly stuck her nose up at the platters

Democrats are not the party of the people or progressives but just Republicans with different coat colors on getting checks from the same places

[-] JWBananas@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Is your username a back-formation of Verdana, the font?

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 44 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Misner said it was a difficult decision to vote for Trump. He said the point of the Abandon Harris campaign was to punish the Democrats for supporting Israel during its war in Gaza, which the campaigners view as a genocide, and he hopes the Trump campaign will be more willing to negotiate with group leaders.

Vindication feels awful here, honestly.

“I think the biggest problem is that your messaging to Arab Americans can’t just be ‘Trump’s a fascist, Trump is Hitler. Big, scary orange man, vote for me.’ Part of being a part of the American political system is being able to separate yourself from your opponent and lay out a better vision. And she did not do that,” Abdelrahman said.

  1. Negative messaging works, as much as people like to pretend it doesn't.

  2. If you saw a literal fascist openly declaring fascist things, and your response to the milquetoast opposition is "Well, you're not seperated enough, stylistically", you're not much more than a fascist enabler.

  3. In what fucking way is "Not fascism" not a better vision than "Literal fucking fascism"?

“She could have at least called for a ceasefire,” Khan said. (Harris repeatedly called for a ceasefire during her campaign, including during her Democratic convention speech.)

Ah, it's just like being on Lemmy!

“Even in politics, humanity should be the first and the foremost thing to to be respected, to be valued, right? And [the] Democratic Party clearly, clearly, for an entire year showed us they do not care about human life,” Khan said. “They do not care about their constituents, how they feel about the massacre.”

Ah, yes, humanity is the first and foremost thing to be respected, which is why LGBT Americans have been served to fascists on a silver platter as a protest vote. Peak humanity.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago

which is why LGBT Americans have been served to fascists on a silver platter as a protest vote.

If you are queer and have any way out, get out. If you can't get out, scrub your internet history as clean as you possibly can because they will hunt you down.

God I hate it but there's going to have to be a new underground railroad for pregnant women and queer and brown people...

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[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 3 points 12 hours ago

The real reason America deserves to fall to fascism is that you still have bootlickers in this very thread pretending the Harris campaign really did all it could to win, and it was the fault of the mean, nasty leftists online calling out her support for a genocide that got Trump elected.

Nobody is gonna learn a goddamn thing from this election, just like they haven't for decades. American democracy died before I was born, people are just realizing it now.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

The Trump campaign went all out with a campaign to offend and alienate, ensure everyone knew he’s unfit to be in charge of getting out of bed. Yet somehow he failed to drive away voters in droves

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

Decades ago the corporatists and oligarchs traded in the currency of societal need and societal trends. Having exploited those markets and needing more, they’ve perfected leveraging societal stupidity. Stupidity is the currency that now powers capitalism.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago

And find themselves without fault?

[-] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 27 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Maybe Harris and the Democrats should've spent less time chasing Republicans and fascists for votes.

I voted for her btw. But is incredible how Dem voters repeatedly allow their leadership to be so weak and outt of touch.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago

And maybe people who repeatedly told others "don't vote for Harris" should claim some culpability for people not voting for Harris...

But it's amazing that every time I suggest that, someone has to talk about the faults of the Harris campaign as if you can't blame more than one party. It's whataboutism.

If you [general you] tell people not to vote for Harris and they don't vote for Harris and then Trump wins, you have some culpability.

[-] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 13 points 16 hours ago

Those people weren't running for president. They may be culpable but it's no where near the same level as the actual party leadership.

Dems conveniently blame everyone but their own leadership every time they lose an election and therefore never learn anything from it.

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[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

not the voters' job to make themselves buyable

that is all on the candidates

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