50
submitted 21 hours ago by wildflower@lemmy.world to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz

Загальні бойові втрати противника з 24.02.22 по 28.12.24 (орієнтовно)

#NOMERCY #stoprussia

| Підписатися ГШ ЗСУ |

t.me/GeneralStaffZSU/19635

top 11 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 1 points 21 hours ago

Is there one of these for ukraine?

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago
[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago

I divide by four to get a really rough estimate

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 3 points 17 hours ago
[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Yes, but it's uncommon to disclose your own losses, because it can be used by the enemy.
And if Russia made them, they would not be trustworthy, because Russia is run like one big propaganda machine in every aspect of government.
If a third part were to make the numbers, it would be 2nd hand information.
So we are not likely to get good information with daily updates regarding the losses of Ukraine.

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 3 points 16 hours ago

How does that not all go both ways regarding this info?

I hope I don't sound like a pro Russian trying for a 'gotcha' or something. It could be handy info when engaging with those who are.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 7 points 16 hours ago

Other sources have done their estimates from time to time. US, british and similar countries have talked every few months (they also give ukrain numbers) and while nobody agrees all are close enough to conclude ukraine numbers are trustworthy.

[-] gnutrino@programming.dev 6 points 16 hours ago

It sort of does go both ways and you should always take these numbers with a grain of salt but the Ukrainian numbers are at least possible and probably somewhere in the right ball park whereas Russia keeps claiming to have destroyed more of various western systems than have ever been in Ukraine for example.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Because to the extend it's possible, the numbers from Ukraine are pretty much confirmed by estimates by Pentagon and British military.
Apart from that, Ukraine is NOT run like a giant propaganda machine, but for instance has free press, which Russia doesn't. And Ukraine acknowledges what's going on in the war, which Russia also doesn't, except when it suits their propaganda.

These numbers could be propaganda, but I think Ukraine wants us to know the actual truth in this regard, the truth is horrific enough so they don't have to make it worse. If Russia were to publish numbers that are true, they'd have to acknowledge that their losses are higher than Ukraine.
But in Russian news they claim the opposite. Just as they claim Ukraine attacked Russia first, And they even claim they are also attacked by NATO.

Have you ever seen a false claim from Zelenskyy regarding the war?
Have you ever seen Putin be truthful about the war?

It's very clear that one side is way more trustworthy than the other.

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 3 points 16 hours ago

No doubt there, don't get me wrong Im not retarded enough to trust putin but I also ha e healthy skepticism for ukraine... thanks for the posts I appreciate it, that all actually makes sense.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Absolutely, both sides could be equally bad. But in this case, Ukraine really is the innocent victim, and Russia the big villain.
Which is why the truth works for Ukraine but not for Russia.

this post was submitted on 28 Dec 2024
50 points (98.1% liked)

Ukraine

8370 readers
500 users here now

News and discussion related to Ukraine

🇺🇦 Sympathy for enemy combatants is prohibited.

🌻🤢No content depicting extreme violence or gore.

💥Posts containing combat footage should include [Combat] in title

🚷Combat videos containing any footage of a visible human involved must be flagged NSFW

❗ Server Rules

  1. Remember the human! (no harassment, threats, etc.)
  2. No racism or other discrimination
  3. No Nazis, QAnon or similar
  4. No porn
  5. No ads or spam (includes charities)
  6. No content against Finnish law

Donate to support Ukraine's Defense

Donate to support Humanitarian Aid


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS