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[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 1 points 2 hours ago

Holy shit this is epic and scary at the same time

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 hours ago

this really is the "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" era of warfare once again

[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago
[-] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago
[-] subignition@fedia.io 21 points 16 hours ago

We have reached "knife taped to a Roomba" levels of warfare

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

just wait till the flying cats learn how to hop on for a ride

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 22 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

This is like how in World War I, pilots would shoot at each other with handguns.

I am surprised at how stable the drone firing the shotgun is after the gun fires. There appears to be very little recoil.

What's a hard drive drone?

[-] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

There appears to be very little recoil.

They don't say what gauge they're firing, which would be a factor. Might be less than 12-gauge.

If you figure that weight of the gun is going to cut into flight time, you might want a light gun if possible.

EDIT: The video here shows Ukrainian soldiers testing shotguns against drones. The guy says that #3 buckshot is inadequate to break the blades:

https://www.twz.com/land/anti-drone-weapon-with-24-barrels-firing-buckshot-like-rounds-emerges-on-russian-buggies

So there may be some lower bounds on what they can effectively use. It looks like there are double-aught .410 shells, but I'd guess that you wouldn't be sending many balls downrange.

EDIT2: I was wondering about using a 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher firing flechette rounds earlier, as that'd let everyone in a squad carry something that'd have at least one round that'd put a lot of projectiles downrange quickly; one has to assume that a squad patrolling isn't going to give up their assault rifles for shotguns or similar. NATO does have a 40mm canister round.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

a semi-automatic shotgun has a lot less recoil than a single shot gun because it uses the recoil energy to cycle in the next round.

Not sure what type of action they have on these guns

[-] Dultas@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Could be recoilless, you'd loose range by having the breech open / semi open but the trade off is not ripping the attacking drone apart.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 2 points 9 hours ago

I guess you could load the shells twice as hot

[-] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

It could possibly be using some kind of recoil less/low recoil firing mechanism. All you need to fire a buckshot is a tube and a firing pin of some sort, the amount of recoil essentially just depends on how tightly you close the back end of the tube. A shoulder fired rifle obviously needs to close off the back completely, but this kind of drone could in principle have an open-ended firing tube.

The tradeoff for low/no recoil is of course less energy being imparted into the buckshot. However, I can't imagine that you need a very high-energy projectile to take down these drones, so it may well be worth the tradeoff to improve the accuracy, not to mention the increased stability allowing you to manoeuvre immediately after firing.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 5 points 14 hours ago

Modern gun often use the recoil energy to reload and so there is little recoil. this technology dates to the late 1800's and was in use in wwi.

[-] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Yes, but on a drone you have access to a battery, so there's nothing preventing you from foregoing a classic reload mechanism and using a servo of some sort to reload if you want to reduce recoil.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 9 hours ago

That would increase recoil which on a small drone would be important to reduce.

[-] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It was a mistranslation from Telegram's built-in translator. Here is the correct translation:

For the first time on video – drone "Winchesters" shooting down other drones with buckshot

[-] DaGeek247@fedia.io 4 points 16 hours ago

Since they're all plastic, it may not be a regular level of shotgun force.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago

It’s been a natural progression. First the drones target humans, then the drones target drones. Ukraine is taking us into the future of warfare. The pentagon is watching closely and investing heavily in this space.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 hours ago

id prefer drones fighting drones over humans fighting humans tbh

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Right? I honestly wonder if the future of war will be to see who kills the other sides robots first. And, who can produce the most robots.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Shit, they got all our robots, I guess we need to surrender.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 5 points 14 hours ago

Mutually Assured Drone Destruction?

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 points 13 hours ago

I can see a couple of ways it'd evolve in the future, but it'd interesting to see if these bots get regular deployment and become a new threat to all drones on the battlefield.

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 16 hours ago

The Terminator

[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 3 points 16 hours ago

This is rad

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