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Many anglos have nowhere else to turn for information but 2MoPaul. Celebrated local paper The Victory stopped publishing in the ’80s. Under Quebec’s latest French language protection law, Bill 96, the city’s own website is no longer allowed to post any English information because Two Mountains doesn’t have official bilingual status.

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[-] AlexanderTheGreat@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

That whole law is stupid and then need to fuck off with it.

[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

How dare a minority passes laws to avoid fucking disappearing in the sea of anglophones in North America 😰🤧 cry me river 😢

It seems in Canada protecting language and culture of minorities is reserved for immigrants and first nations. say it with me: hy-po-crites

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago

You're talking about protecting language and culture in a thread about a small town relying on one guy to translate the government's website because the law forbids the use of their native language.

French speakers are the majority in Québec. This is like a law forbidding Mandarin from being used in Canada and saying there are 3x as many Mandarin speakers in the world than English speakers and the law is required or else we'll all be speaking Mandarin one day.

[-] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As a monolingual anglophone, I think many anglophones demonstrate low awareness of English-as-a-first-language privilege (which is how privilege operates) and of the negative effects of English-language hegemony. Ergo, their opinions on reasonable French language/culture protectionism are of little value. I think it's more privilege than hypocrisy because I don't think anglophones opposing French-language laws in Québec typically champion efforts to promote Indigenous or other not English or French languages

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago
[-] Kovukono@pawb.social 8 points 2 days ago

No, disappearing in a sea of anglophones would be something like making all arms of government communicate in English, making it illegal to access non-English sites the government has after six months, forcing companies to alter signage at their own cost so it's only in English, declaring non-English speakers and enemy to English-speaking culture, and going out of their way to make non-English documents unavailable unless you want to pay extra for translation services. You know, like Bill 96 is doing for French.

No one cares if Legault prefers French. We care that he wants to strip existing things just to make French the only option.

[-] Adm_Drummer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Roughly 86% of those living in Quebec are Francophone. At a national level Quebec is a minority but still holds roughly a quarter of Canada's population so that's quite a large Minority group.

What laws like this are doing in Quebec is a continuation of the French separatist movement that has latched on to anti-immigrant and anti-anglo sentiment. This law also coincides with several laws outlawing the wearing of religious garb like the Hijab or Turbans by religious minorities. (Read: non-christians.)

Quebec and it's current government are a driving force behind a new wave of Ethnic Nationalism. English speakers no longer have the right to send their children to English school, the English school system is being strangled and so much more.

This is not about protecting language. It's about erasing another.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Quebec is a minority but still holds roughly a quarter of Canada’s population so that’s quite a large Minority group

Yes, but on a global level, English culture is a lot more widespread and a threat to any other culture out there. It's especially difficult in North America where the dominant language is English on a very large scale. Canada's anglosphere shares a lot of its culture with the Americans to a point that it's sometimes difficult to see any difference. If you take Canada and the U.S. together, Québec is much less than 25% of the population and has to fight really hard not to go the way of the Louisiana Cajuns.

What laws like this are doing in Quebec is a continuation of the French separatist movement that has latched on to anti-immigrant and anti-anglo sentiment.

That's an exaggeration and a bunch of hogwash that's often perpetuated by franchophobic media like The Gazette. That's the problem with the news in Canada though. Anglophone media is often very francophobic when it comes to news topics about Québec. Whereas the francophone media will have a more fair look at the same topics. However, anglophones aren't as bilingual as the francophones and will never read those news and be able to make a real opinion for themselves and instead will swallow whatever the anglophone media will tell them to think. Trust me on this. As a fully bilingual Québécois who's pretty objective, I've seen the vitriol that English media throw at us and it's extremely disappointing. That amount of pure hate and racism isn't as reciprocal as you may think.

This law also coincides with several laws outlawing the wearing of religious garb like the Hijab or Turbans by religious minorities. (Read: non-christians.)

Laws on secularism in Québec include Christianity. In fact it all started with Christianity. But like in any religious group, some people, including politicians, sometimes have difficulty parting ways with their religious traditions. But overall, I think those laws are very important for a fair society. Christianity was taken out of schools back in the quiet revolution. My mother told me about how her school teachers, catholic nuns, had to suddenly start wearing civil clothes when teaching when she was in elementary school. Prayers weren't allowed anymore. Crucifixes were removed. Bill 21 is a continuation of that. And the Bedford School incident is a prime example of why bills like these are important.

Quebec and it’s current government are a driving force behind a new wave of Ethnic Nationalism.

Yes, but the majority of the people aren't buying it. Believe me.

English speakers no longer have the right to send their children to English school

That is factually false.

the English school system is being strangled and so much more.

The English school system receives the most subsidies per student in Québec. They received almost 30% of the subsidies for a population that makes up about 8-9% of the population. I also don't see the problem in immigrant kids having to go to francophone school if they intend to live in Québec where over 90% of the population is francophone and where the society lives in French. That's how we integrate them into our society.

We're simply trying to have a common culture that everybody can adhere to. We're not asking them to abandon theirs. But they need to integrate in ours if they intend to be a part of it. And that's just normal.

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

There is enough in the bill to criticize its effectiveness towards its intended purposes, without having to resort to conspiracy theories about ethnic cleansing.

Globalization is a real threat towards cultural diversity, be it French or any other language and culture. You are a repugnant asshat if you can't even agree to that and instead have to focus your argument on racist rhetoric.

[-] Adm_Drummer@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 day ago

You're right, but you don't have to use insults though. Can you change your comment please?

[-] slym@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago
[-] AlexanderTheGreat@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago

I wrote out a whole long reply rebutting your fantastic argument, and then deleted. The fact that you think the people of Quebec are a minority on equal footing to First Nations people or immigrants from third world or waring countries says more than enough about you for me to know you aren't worth the time of day.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Do you remember when you were first told that Canada is a Bilingual country? Can we finally stop pretending we are?

[-] CkrnkFrnchMn@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago

I didn't realized how ignorant most of Quebec was when it came to the news outside of the province when I moved out of there unless it was French...

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