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[-] gubblebumbum@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago

all it does is prevent sideloaded apps from having access to sensitive permissions by default, which is a good thing.

[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

True, but if it's good for users, it should be the rule for ALL apps

[-] Jocker@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago

Sideloading is the only reason i use android over ios...

[-] Anivia@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

Ironically sideloading is pretty easy on iOS nowadays

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

But if you need notifications Gl and gl with apple removing the app

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago
[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 37 points 3 days ago

POV: You're Google and think EU didn't fine you enough lately.

[-] critical@reddthat.com 9 points 3 days ago
[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 10 points 3 days ago

Not really with the huge EU fines. Google eventually does what EU wants, though it takes a while because EU is fucking slow.

[-] hollerpixie@lemm.ee 21 points 3 days ago

This is why I decided to not use Google services this Graphene install. I have zero doubt Google is going to try and lock down the ability to use anything outside of the PlayStore in an IOS type move. Just hope a better Linux based phone gets done quickly because I'm not sure how many iterations of alternate Android OS generations will be able to exist as they lock things down.

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[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago

If Google is going to turn Android into iPhone, why tf I shouldn't get an iPhone itself?

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[-] seang96@spgrn.com 20 points 3 days ago

Though I understand the reason, I find this ironic given how invasive play store apps can be. My cars official app requires full location access all the time, otherwise it pops up asking for it every time you open it. Meanwhile some FOSS app that can be code reviewed and sideloaded is more difficult to give needed acess.

[-] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Not to defend the shitty app, but it's probably Google's fault. Location access is needed to just query WiFi or do a hotspot. Probably features the app needs. They should've make that more granular.

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 5 points 2 days ago

They need it for 2 things I believe.

  1. They show a map where vehivle last parked compared to you.
  2. They could use it for their proprietary phone as key feature that doesn't work and is unreliable compared to using UWB.
  3. Gonna add this one since its totally the reason, sell your data. They store the car data, why not get the phones location data so you can get them all the time!
[-] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Sure they sell the data...my point was just that they would probably need the permission even if they didn't want your actual location.

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 1 points 1 day ago

I haven't deved android since before all of the permission overhauls but I believe aprpximate would suffice for those cases, and I don't think they are actually needed. Luckily with a little bit of work and someones open source project I was able to get a home assistant integration to use their API and give them 0 of those permission requests.

[-] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago

I'm no android pro Dev, so no absolute confidence in my point. You're probably right. And good you managed to bring it into HA without the permissions.

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago

and FOSS apps that can be fully code reviewed and confirmed safe, unlike anything proprietary, will still cause banking apps to refuse to run on your unrooted device. I had to go back to carrying a physical key around with me. (the foss apps were there first)

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

Anything short of "it's your device, it obeys you" is theft.

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't think it's quite a bad as the title implies, though I wonder how long this slow process of locking down Android will ~~contained~~ continue for. Hopefully the EU demands from the likes of Epic will stop too much control being taken away from the user.

[-] nieminen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Is control really taken away? It seems as though it simply added a couple steps to help people avoid giving default permissions to bad actors.

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah that's the thing, as an isolated change it seems like a good step for security, but I'm concerned it could be part of a larger frog-boiling.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Personally, I like the first one and wouldn't use an option to automatically give those permissions to all apps.

Being a power user doesn't make anyone immune from malware, it just needs to pass some sniff tests. It was by luck that that backdoor in the Linux kernel was found and it's naive to believe every single malware app is going to be obvious with unrealistic promises and/or bad grammar and spelling. Permissions requests are a clue that an app is doing something it shouldn't be. And Facebook is considered trusted by many despite an insider even confirming the "talk about something near your phone and fb will advertise it to you" being real.

When you download an app, unless you either wrote it yourself (including all libraries) or have checked the source for open source apps (again including libraries), you can only guess at what it is really doing. And just because an app does what it claims to do doesn't mean it isn't doing anything else, so the "well, it does work" test isn't a great security test.

For the app developers being able to block side loading, it says it uses meta data to enforce that. Couldn't modders just modify that meta data so that it doesn't realize X' app is actually a modified X app? It would need to do something more complex than a checksum or hash to detect it's the same app.

I mean, I love "fuck Google" bandwagons, but either I'm missing something or this one doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

despite an insider even confirming the "talk about something near your phone and fb will advertise it to you" being real

When was this‽

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Sometime in the last couple of years iirc, though I'm having trouble finding it, what with all of the articles about "it might look like this is happening but Facebook insists it's not".

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

Let me know if you do find anything as I'm very keen to hear the inside scoop. It always seemed like nonsense to me as it would be so easy to prove (unexpected mic access, large amounts of data or CPU usage, actual recreation in test conditions) but all the claims (that I've seen) are very anecdotal.

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Wait, am I to understand they're intending on making it that you cannot just install any apk you choose because it's your phone and your business? Is that going to be no longer possible?

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

If you were to read the article you'd find that sideloaded apps will have restricted permissions that the user will have to un-restrict one by one.

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