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Summary

Tesla reported its first annual decline in deliveries, with 1.79 million vehicles delivered in 2024 compared to 1.81 million in 2023.

Fourth-quarter deliveries (495,570) fell short of analyst estimates, causing Tesla shares to drop 7%.

Challenges included rising competition in Europe and China, declining sales despite price cuts, and growing inventory of Cybertrucks.

Analysts cited CEO Elon Musk’s political involvement as a potential distraction.

While Tesla plans to release lower-cost autonomous vehicles in 2025, its lack of affordable EVs and intensified competition have strained its market dominance.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 184 points 4 days ago

Bear in mind - Tesla is massively overvalued.

[-] Pulsar@lemmy.world 132 points 4 days ago

I think Tesla is fairly valued.

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 day ago

That's ... the stock being overvalued lol

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 4 days ago

Holy hell that really puts things in perspective 😮

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[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 days ago

Yep, no problems here whatsoever.

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 days ago

You need another of these to go with it that shows these companies in terms of revenue.

[-] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Seriously, I’d love to see this chart, earnings chart and PE ratio chart to really see the whole picture

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't have a chart for you but

2023 net profit

Toyota - 31.82b

VW AG- 17.331B

Tesla - 14.999b

BMW - 12.165B

GM - 10.1b

Ford - 4.347B

BYD - 4.16B

Edit: Just to preempt this, yes Tesla is suffering a lot more this year with the EV price wars, for the first 3 quarters, they're at 4.78b this year, whereas GM for example is at 8.97B. GM doesn't make a lot of profits (if any) on their EVs, but they still have ICE vehicles to fall back on whereas Tesla doesn't.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

So the graphic shows the overvalued stock as proof of it being fairly valued?

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago

My guess is there’s an invisible /s there

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

It takes a lot of guts to omit the /s these days. You can never be quite sure who’s funny and who’s just an idiot.

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[-] JWBananas@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Nissan conspicuously absent

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I mean, all that proves is that the Stock Market is completely irrational and always has been and using as a metric for whether or not "the economy" is doing good has always been a fucking farce.

Tesla isn't the only massively overvalued company in existence at the moment, just the biggest and most obvious example.

Theranos was valued at around $9 billion before it all came out that it was a scam.

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[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 17 points 4 days ago

The day that bubble bursts will be hilarious. I'll probably grab popcorn and livestream Twitter for Musky's meltdown

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[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 56 points 4 days ago

I bought into the shit he was marketing back in 2019. I got a Model 3 and a single share of Tesla stock, and realized pretty quickly after a year of FSD not improving that Elon was full of shit. Some time later that one share turned into three because tesla did a stock split so elon could buy twitter, then sometime after shareholders approved a 50 billion pay package (not me).

So when he bought the republican party and the stock shot up, I got out. Didn't make any money, but fuck that guy. I cannot stand this Mfer or his shitty companies.

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 81 points 4 days ago
  • Piss off liberals who are pro-environment.
  • Align himself to MAGA who loves their gas guzzlers

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

They may not love their gas guzzlers after a year of super high gas prices.

[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 39 points 4 days ago

Can't wait for the "I did that!" stickers.

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago

No, they absolutely still do. They just bitch about it more and blame the president.

When gas hit over $4 a gallon here in Texas, it barely moved the needle on sales of smaller vehicles. Those that did change vehicles went right back to that Ford F950 the second it came back down. Like, no one learned their lesson.

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[-] blattrules@lemmy.world 62 points 4 days ago

Is musk going to tweet something about a new, futuristic project that Tesla has coming up that he’s just ripping off from an 80s sci-fi movie again so the stock price bumps back up?

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago

Tesla's stock price has been firmly disconnected from reality for a while now so probably

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 days ago

I think cars bore him now that he can play statesman

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago

I'm amazed there is still 1.79 people who don't follow the news or how much of a toddler Musk is.

Nobody wants to invest in anything he touches anymore,and he has shown he will just disable software in vehicles if he feels like it. Wonder how long until he starts targeting his opponents with his vehicles, he's already doing it with his other platforms.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 3 days ago

Line went down! Abandon ship!

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 4 days ago

Deliveries are the closest approximation of sales reported by Tesla but are not precisely defined in the company’s shareholder communications.

You know, I'm really tired of our country just letting this guy make up whatever fucking metrics he wants, and then we run everything on those fucking wrong-ass metrics. He did the same thing with Twitter and "impressions." It's all about lying through your teeth about what's really happening and using metrics and statistics to confuse people.

A delivery isn't the same as a sale, not even close. For instance, they also deliver vehicles after repair.

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[-] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 19 points 3 days ago

Can't fathom buying one when you can't do any repairs on your own.

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[-] ATDA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah if the parking lot full of cyberderps I drove past doay says anything the post preorder sales may be slouching.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

Teala isn't releasing 2 lower cost autonomous vehicles in 2025.

They are releasing 2 lower cost vehicles.

The robo taxi isn't until 2026 if you make the assumption it's on time and is autonomous.

Saying teala is releasing 2 autonomous vehicles in 2025 is like saying teala sold 1.79 million autonomous vehicles this year.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 15 points 4 days ago

The robo taxi isn't until 2026 if you make the assumption it's on time and is autonomous.

This reminds me of my old physics assignments:

"Assuming a perfectly spherical cow...."

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[-] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The robo taxi isn't until 2026 if you make the assumption it's on time and is autonomous.

Tesla has said Full Self Driving is coming next year for like 9 straight years in a row, and the only thing that came out of that was "obviously FSD is a marketing term, only an idiot would have bought FSD and thought they get an autonomous vehicle"

Space X pushed the hyper loop when California pitched their idea of building high speed rail throughout the state, and once they gave space X a grant and cancelled their plans, he dropped the project.

Tesla's value comes from vibes and the potential of what some vaporware technology could be worth if they could actually build it.

I mean honestly, if Tesla could build an autonomous vehicle that could pay for itself in 1 year from taxi fares, why would they sell that to the public? They'd make way more keeping it to themselves or maybe franchising it out. A complete monopoly on the autonomous taxi industry sold for $45,000? Yeah, right.

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[-] prof_wafflez@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Anyone who gets into one of those robo taxis is asking for death.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

Any sane government won't let them on the road until that is decidedly not the case.

Asking for a sane government is a big ask nowadays it seems though.

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[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

I shake my head at Tesla drivers and throw a hand job gesture to every wankpanzer I see. There isn't enough public shaming of fascists and their enablers.

[-] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Yesterday, my wife saw a cybertruck for the first time. She went "wtf. Is that fugly thing a cybertruck?" I guess the pictures didn't do it justice.

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[-] proper@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

what sort of scumbag could own tesla stock, or even buy a tesla in the last year or more, and still sleep at night?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Sociopaths. Money over ethics.

[-] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

If you have a 401k, IRA, company pension, or any other type of traditional retirement accounts, you likely have some Tesla at least indirectly, and while you might not have direct voting rights, you would at a minimum have ownership of funds that have ownership of Tesla.

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[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 13 points 4 days ago

On December 24 Tesla's shares went up by 7%. On December 17 they went down by 8%. Movement like this happens all the time, will we get headlines for each one? Overall, Tesla's stock price is still up 50% over the past year. I wouldn't consider this to be all that significant a drop yet. Let's see what happens with their upcoming product releases.

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