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45 Democrats vote with GOP to pass bill sanctioning ICC over Netanyahu warrant. (truthout.org)

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[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Here's the list of voters that you can narrow down. It's appalling. AIPAC, the pro-~~isreal~~Genocide lobby, has been pushing this, in order to shield their terrorist leader netenyahoo from punishment. The bill would not just sanction the International Criminal Court, but it's members. They are actively trying to punish individuals across the globe, for condemning isreals genocide, using the American peoples congress as their cudgel.

Meanwhile isreal has blocked or impeded every single humanitarian aid shipment to Gaza since October.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago

This is what Democrats call bipartisanship.

[-] clot27@lemm.ee 35 points 15 hours ago

When will US truly have a centre left party atleast?

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Or centre right, Biden was the closest they’ve been to centre right so they replaced him with a candidate further right

(Yes you can point out random other centre right members but they haven’t had power in the party)

[-] eric5949@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Considering we have a far right and a controlled opposition party, never.

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

When people on the left stop just circle-jerking on the Internet and actually get involved in their state and local Democratic parties, vote in the primaries and run for office.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 2 hours ago

volunteers to run for office

gets told by Dems that they're not rich enough

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 2 hours ago

You too huh?

[-] theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 hours ago

How would voting for a right wing party or getting banned from running as part of that right wing party give us a center left party?

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 hours ago

Probably after we switch from a First-past-the-post voting system to something more representative.

Then people could vote outside the two party system without a spoiler effect.

We can make these changes at the state level. Alaska recently voted to keep using Ranked Choice voting. Conservatives were mad because Ranked Choice voting allowed alaskans to choose a more moderate conservative over Sarah Palin and pushed to have a referendum to go back to FPTP voting.

So why do Blue states use FPTP voting when it's clear republicans prefer it?

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 161 points 1 day ago

“Republicans want to sanction the ICC simply because they don’t want the rules to apply to everyone,” said Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Massachusetts) on the House floor on Thursday.

McGovern highlighted that Republicans are moving to erode human rights while ignoring urgent issues within the U.S.

“We have a natural disaster unfolding in California right this second…. We have a gun violence epidemic, as we see massacres in our schools nearly every single day. And families are unable to make ends meet because they’re being ripped off by billionaire corporations,” said McGovern. “All those challenges, and this is what the out of touch elitist billionaire Republican party wants to waste time on. Sanctioning the ICC.”

I liked Jim McGovern already, but I like him more, now.

[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 28 points 23 hours ago

Yeah, he fucking nailed it.

[-] Masta_Chief@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

McNailed it

Also wonder if the fact that he's, uh, governing (?) is some nomnative determinism

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 66 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

75% of Democrats voted against it and 100% of Republicans supported it. The problem in this country is Democrats, because a portion of them side with Republicans sometimes.

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 33 points 15 hours ago

Honestly the fact that 75% of Democrats voted against it is actually kinda surprising. In the past close to 100% of both parties were knee-jerk pro-Israel votes. This means there's actually a good chance it won't pass the senate. If people wanna call their senator instead of complaining online, maybe it won't. I'm in DC so I'm allowed to just complain online until you give me my two senators.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 15 hours ago

If fewer Republicans voted for it, more Democrats would have.

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

I'd like to see a breakdown of this idea. Some people say Democrats seem to perfectly shore up votes to push through conservative shit, but the idea is the same color as "it's them vs us."

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 20 points 21 hours ago

Do the 75% of the Democrats call out and throw out the 25%? Like the whole ACAB thing, how are these people allowed to represent the party?

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Because their constituents voted for them.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago

The DNC allowed them into the party.

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

No, their state Democratic party did. Because they won a primary election.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Democratic primaries being famously neutral and all.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 102 points 23 hours ago

45 democrats need to get fucking primaried.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 31 points 19 hours ago

AIPAC is ready to fund them

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Then we lose while making AIPAC spend money that would otherwise have been put towards further entrenching foreign influence.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 2 hours ago

It's government backed, you can't outspend an industrial nation on volunteer donations across every candidate.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago

Honestly, campaign on that.

“My opponent supports genocide. They’ve received xxx,xxx dollars from AIPAC. They’re being funded by foreign interests because they put those interests before you.”

And to any dem politicians out there thinking about it- AIPAC and Netanyahu fucked Biden. They are not your ally. They are not your friend.

[-] Todd_cross@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Yes, but then they'll be accused of anti-Semitism because people don't understand the difference between Israel and Jewish people

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

Oh no accusations! Republicans accuse people of all sorts of dumb shit, you really gonna fall for that old trick?

Yes... yes you will.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 16 hours ago

I worry that's exactly it.

[-] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 83 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

The list copied by hand from https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024242

Sorry for any errors

Boyle (PA)
Caraveo (CO)
Cartwright (PA)
Craig (MN)
Cuellar (TX)
Davis (NC)
Frankel (FL)
Gallego (AZ)
Golden (ME)
Goldman (NY)
Gonzalez (TX)
Gottheimer (NJ)
Horsford (NV)
Landsman (OH)
Lee (NV)
Levin (CA)
Manning (NC)
McBath(GA)
Meng(NY)
Moskowitz(FL)
Nickel (NC)
Norcross(NJ)
Pallone(NJ)
Panetta(CA)
Pappas (NH)
Peltola(AK)
Perez(WA)
Peters (CA)
Phillips (MN)
Ryan (NY)
Schneider (IL)
Schrier (WA)
Scott (GA)
Slotkin (MI)
Soto (FL)
Stanton (AZ)
Suozzi (NY)
Thanedar (MI)
Torres(NY)
Vargas (CA)
Veasey (TX)
Wasserman Schultz (FL)

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

of course that rat wasserman schultz voted for it.

People like that make me want to believe in God, just so I'm comforted by their eventual placement in hell.

[-] BMTea@lemmy.world 37 points 23 hours ago

Fucking evil rats, all of them. Reichstag rodents.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 17 hours ago

It would be nice if this were sorted alphabetically by state, but thank you regardless!

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 50 points 23 hours ago

I can’t be an American. There’s no way my politics are this divorced from the average person and I’m still an American.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

You're not a 1%er, the only people our government represents. Culture wars are a distraction

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

If that were the case then people wouldn’t be continually voting the way they do. This is what we collectively want. It’s not like it’s a dictatorship.

[-] Bacano@lemmy.world 49 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

(https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/)[The bottom 90% of income earners have a statistically zero level of influence on policy.]

It's not you who isn't American, it's the current governing body.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

Then why is it every time we vote I feel less American?

[-] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Because the options you get to pick from are also unamerican. And you get to choose between supporting unamerican and supporting facism. And that’s not a choice that leads one to patriotism.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

No, the options are entirely American, and that’s the problem.

It’s “the land of the free and the home of the brave”

Not the intelligent.

Not the compassionate.

Not the effective

Free and brave.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Cue Lionel Hutz:

"Oh no, those printers messed this all up.

It's the land of the Fee and the home of the slave.

Better remove this bar logo."

[-] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 6 points 20 hours ago

I mean sure, if you look at the average citizenry. But if you look at the goals, it’s no surprise you are disappointed.

I’m a (non-combat, undeployed, medically discharged) veteran, and tbh I regretted it within a few years of joining up because I realized a lot of things. And it’s really the same thing as civic participation. We are sold a myth, and over time realize the truth is that the people we have to pick from don’t share the same ideals we were led to believe they would have.

So I totally agree with you, but our current crop are, indeed, unAmerican regardless of what the population has been led to believe is totally fine.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 23 hours ago

If we keep acting like anyone with a D by their name is perfect we'll never fix shit.

The hard truth is the party needs to clean house because when shit like this happens "both sides" is hard to deny

[-] Bacano@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

Third party corruption investigations and prosecutions are needed on every branch of high level government.

The tone is set from the top. Hold the top accountable and the rats will cease to try and climb.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Scratch a Blue Dog Democrat...

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