Except you have to wait 5 seconds before it goes brrrr because of snaps.
Yikes, I forgot about the All-Snap Ubuntu Desktop!
Oh snap
You can turn them off, but good luck keeping firefox up to date.
Or just use Waterfox or LibreWolf?
Ah yes, vendor lock-in in desktop linux.
I don't get why anyone thinks this is acceptable in any way.
and apt is awful.
Man, why do people hate apt so much? Maybe because I'm a filthy casual but I never really had any big problems with apt.
This sort of stuff always makes me wonder....WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ALL USING YOUR OS FOR?. All I want my OS to do is hold my files, execute my programs and stay the hell out of my way. What could people possibly be doing with their OS that makes version and distro wars worth more than two seconds of your life? Its like arguing about which calculator or plain text editor is best. I dont care. It adds the numbers, it changes the letters, as long as it isnt doing anything else: who cares.
Once you have lived through library dependency hell, you care
Its like arguing about which calculator or plain text editor is best.
it's obviously emacs
Ubuntu ain't what it used to be. If you want a simple distro nowadays just go straight to the source with Debian. There's no real benefit to going with Ubuntu anymore, and community distros are just a safer bet. Corporate distros aren't your friend.
So does debian not have like 4 years old packages anymore in stable or do I have to live in bleeding edge unstable?
There was just a new release, so nothing that old for now, but by the time the next release comes around this one will be getting long in the tooth, no doubt. Debian isn't for everyone, but if you need the latest version as a native app then you're not any better off with Ubuntu at this point. Debian is stable and secure and you can use flatpaks, appimages, or even snaps if you're feeling nasty to get any apps that you really need to be up to date. That's not what everyone wants, but for those people I'd recommend something like Arch, Fedora, or OpenSUSE, not Ubuntu. Ubuntu has just been neglecting the desktop for a while now, and it shows. They were the best once. Now everyone has passed them.
I tried a bunch of distros, but always came back crawling to arch cause of the package manager
brrrrrrrr
Eh, I've been around the block at this point. Fedora ftw. Simple, easy, GUI installer, "just works"™️, sane package manager, normie default DEs, stable, corporate backing. Maybe not for a purist or enthusiast, but I don't have time for that stuff anymore anyways. My days of pouring hours into getting my Arch install just right are long past me. That was for when I still had free time.
'buntu looks pretty but doesn't brr. Mint goes proper BRRR
Arch is good for a machine that gets used a lot, but for something where you need stability or to be able to run it for a long time between restarts and updates, something Debian-based is preferable. Just not modern Ubuntu because Snaps are performance-sapping nightmares.
But with Arch you have to pay attention whenever you update or else you brick your whole system. Ask me how I know.
I've decided it's not worth my time trying to figure it out. I just use KDE Neon and press the "check for updates" button. Don't get me wrong - I know my way around a terminal - but honestly it's just not worth my time anymore. Just give me a thing that works without me needing to think about it.
This. I still daily drive arch, and, even though I've rarely had any breaking updates, it's always feels like a gamble. Have to keep a mental note of which critical packages are being updated, just in case I have to rollback the package. Always carrying an install medium with an arch iso when taking my laptop out.
I abandoned ubuntu for that very same experience, found your Ubuntu zen on manjaro instead. Funny how it goes sometimes.
I've only used Manjaro a little bit but isn't it the case the Manjaro holds back updates before rolling them out, thereby messing with stuff if you use the AUR?
My take is they're a little more cautious than full Arch. Arch will just push stuff because it's "ready", Manjaro does at least some testing so I'm not the guinea pig.
I don't have any issues with AUR stuff though, everything pretty much works out of the box.
Fedora ist the best of two worlds.
I used Fedora as my main for over a decade, but now I question the future of Fedora with all the crap IBM is pulling.
Time to go to Linux Mint
Cinnamon doesn't work properly across multiple monitors. Your task manager thing doesn't stay in sync. The one that says it works with multiple monitors just... doesn't.
Plasma hasn't given me any issues, but Mint doesn't have a KDE distribution. So I've been on KDE Neon.
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
Seems to be an underrated choice. How's it going so far, using Tumbleweed?
I never managed to break it. While all the *buntu distros tended to just fall apart after a while.
Also you can update after 3 months and zypper will happily process the 6800 changed packages.
Finally it has the best KDE out there, so it was a natural choice.
Sounds great! Tumbleweed has always sounded like a stable rolling-release distro, kind of strange that it never got the attention like Arch or Arch-based distros.
The whole OpenSuSE/SuSE community seems to be on the quiet side for some reason. I never really understood why either. It's one of the old traditional distributions that's doing a lot of stuff in the background, but nobody ever hears or talks about it. They even have fun songs.
Maybe it's because it's based in Europe (although I would have seen that as a bonus point)?
I don't even know if it's very common in the enterprise world, I've never actually even seen it there, although I've seen lots of Redhat. But according to Wikipedia, it's out there.
I've only meddled with openSUSE a little bit but I suspect it's due to several reasons. Firstly, perhaps the lack of marketing. You hear news about Ubuntu and Fedora and NixOS and stuff, but never really about openSUSE, I think? Maybe they do promotions but I don't know about them that much. As you said, they do a lot of stuff but in the background. Perhaps they're really more of a technical distribution, for sysadmins and some users?
They often tend to sell it as a distribution for developers. for some reason. I don't write much code any more and just use it (tumbleweed) as my main system for general use. I never really noticed it being any different from any other operating system. You just install whatever you need. In my case, I take notes, edit photos, play games from Steam, and do the usual Internet stuff. Mostly what most users do.
I see. Yea, someone I know has used Tumbleweed before and it seems fine. Stable and solid. Just out of curiosity, what Steam games do you play? Do you use Proton?
If you run steam in Linux, you're using proton.
Currently, I play Deep Rock Galactic, Insurgency Sandstorm, Cyberpunk, sometimes Squad, but I haven't had the time for a while.
Games I have to catch up with Generation Zero, Disco Elysium.
All of those work without much fuss.
What's your machine?
The current one is a Ryzen 9 3900X with a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti running OpenSuSE Tumbleweed.
I see! Sounds fun. Maybe I'll switch to openSUSE Tumbleweed. Just maybe.
Ubuntu today is pretty trash. I'd replace it with fedora today
Yup, you're in the middle of the bell curve
I'm a bit sad that my gf might never understand why I hate windows more than even macOS
I use Arch btw
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