Yeah I don't think this is super surprising unfortunately.
Being a man and dating men undermines patriarchial conceptions of masculinity. A lot of these conceptions are very deeply-held; I think it's easy to consider acceptance easy when it's academic or theoretical, but when it becomes personal all bets are off. Think of all the pro-gay parents, who, when their children come out, completely flip out.
I think there's also, tragically, a large element of HIV stigma in here.
HIV stigma has a huge role to play in the history of the phenomena. See AIDS SPECTER FOR WOMEN: THE BISEXUAL MAN
Here's a relevant video on the topic. I tried to post it but folks don't seem to like the title. It's primarily about the history there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbHhIeYL9no
Patriarchal conceptions of masculinity is aka the instincts of straight female humans.
Everyone wants to blame culture, and via the word “patriarchy” they want to blame men, for this kind of thing but it’s way deeper than that.
straight female humans.
what thw fuckn i recomend you to go outside, what a bullshit, and this isn't a pro-gender war community, stop spreading that, no, actually, go to your red pill/incel instances, just from you using "female" i can feel the misoginy, pleaae, let us alone
Why do you say “female” but follow it with “men” instead of “male”? Makes you seem like an incel or some men’s rights nut job.
No, this isn't just women; it is patriarchy, the entire set of power and systems that everyone participates in. Men blame men for being bisexual at least as much as women do.
please, don't waste words, look of his others comments, just report if you want, but i don't they can be convised to let go the hate
To be fair, in this case I doubt they broke any rules. Speaking up always does more than downvotes. Particularly true for those of us on instances without downvotes.
Our obsession with gender and gender roles infects/affects everything, and makes as little sense as obsessing about whether someone is left-handed, right-handed, or ambidextrous. Seriously, why should anyone care about how others dress, how they identify, or who they choose to sleep with?
IME there is substantial correlation between religiosity and an obsession with gender. On my more cynical days I might suggest there is a causal relationship.
The title's message is not supported by the 2019 study.
They found lower levels of agreement with the statements around attraction to mlm, but not zero. Just less than straight men. Unless you thought women held no homophobia at all, this isn't even remotely surprising. It's barely interesting. Meanwhile women who rated lower on homophobia preferred bi men.
So date bi women. Or date gay men who, according to the survey, do not have the same biphobic prejudice.
This is a great point regarding the title but I do not think it is particularly productive to simply say date groups without degrees of prejudice towards yourself. Even though this is pragmatic life advice that I subscribe to, the groups you're talking about excluding make up the vast majority of potential partners and for those who have a hard time finding queer spaces to meet people the advice can be nearly impossible to follow.
this is because of insecurity from these womans in dating bi-men, or they see them as less manly, and thus "weak" in patriarchy's view?
My (bi) ex gf was quite insecure and said she couldn't date a bi man because she would get jealous of all his friends rather than just his female ones.
I've found a lot of women don't believe men can be "as" bi as women can be, and there's this suspicion that if a guy has ever been (or just wanted to be) with another guy, they must be more into guys than women, and wen don't want to have to wonder/worry about that. I think this is just a reflection of societal implications around male and female gayness being different though, that women are accepted to exist on more of a spectrum (perhaps because attraction to women feels natural to straight men, so it is less "surprising" or foreign to see even other women feel it), while men are considered more binary.
it's more like, male on male sex is considered disgusting, female on female sex isn't.
probably because male on male sex assumes anal penetration.
This is purely anecdotal, but I think that's more in line with other unaccepting straight men's reaction than straight women's (especially since a lot of straight women are into/fine with anal too). I think with women it in many ways comes down to the fact that everyone has been conditioned to think that guys are either 100% gay or 100% straight, while it can be sexy or desirable for a women to go both ways.
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