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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by nodsocket@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

I am not criticizing them, I'm just out of the loop.

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[-] TheRealBob@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

There aren’t nearly as many right wingers and fascists as social media makes you believe. Speaking as a Mastodon instance admin, every single time we’ve had huge waves of bot and/or troll signups they’ve been very clearly right wing accounts (almost all had similar bios) that almost immediately started interacting with and boosting each other as well as harassing trans and queer people.

The thing about the fediverse is that it can’t be manipulated the way centralized social media can. So what happens is that it gets handled very quickly. They get banned and their instances get defederated so all they can do is shout into the void. They’re not, nor have they ever been, the majority by any stretch of the imagination, and most people have absolutely no desire to hear what they have to say at all.

On top of that, a huge number of them are grifters, and they won’t get any engagement here. They can’t get the kind of viral outrage they need because most people aren’t even seeing their posts.

[-] souperk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

stares in "12% of Greek voters choosing blatant facist parties"

[-] Proweruser@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Same problem in Germany (just worse) right now, but we should still remember that 12 or even 20% are far from the majority. They are very good at shouting so loud that you could think there are more, but there aren't. They only have as much power as we give them.

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[-] paenusbreth@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The issue I have with this is that publicly expressing their love for others is an extremely natural and normal thing to do. Talking openly about your opposite-gender spouse, kissing or holding hands with your partner, going out for a nice date - whatever. These are all totally normal things which people won't blink at when a heterosexual couple is doing it, yet LGBT people can still be discriminated against for these behaviours. That's not even getting into trans or gender-non-conforming people, who can be discriminated against simply for existing and presenting the way they do.

I don't just want to ensure that LGBT people are free from explicit legislative discrimination. I want them to be free from social discrimination as well. Social consequences for being publicly gay are not acceptable, even if people aren't in favour of more open forms of discrimination.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Trans people and communists are nearly half of software dev. The other half are furries.

[-] Deuces@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

How dare you imply most software devs aren't all three simultaneously

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[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Because the Lemmy software was developed by communist-leaning developers and they have, prior to the reddit exodus, had the biggest communities. As for the transgender related content, the transgender community was one of the largest to leave reddit for Lemmy.

[-] AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I wonder why disparate and well-meaning communities would leave a social media platform full of outspoken fascists.

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[-] kool_newt@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I find myself to be a stereotypical Lemmy user. I'm trans, (anarcho-) communist, a programmer and Linux engineer.

I'm older, I transitioned (ugh I hate that word) about 2 decades ago. I got into computers consciously and very intentionally. I knew I'd need to support myself soon and spent a good amount of time thinking what industries or companies might be willing to hire someone like me (this was even before trans people had employment rights in California!). I chose computers because I felt like it was an industry where someone might hire me, I could make enough to survive and pay for surgery, and because it seemed one where my co-workers would be less likely to beat me up or kill me.

When it comes to communism, I have a hunch that being trans forces you to think about society and why you are not accepted, who is causing your troubles and why. It seems apparent why someone so low on the social acceptance ladder as a trans person would be repelled by exploitation based zero-sum systems and attracted to systems that would allow them to survive and thrive.

Linux seemed just fundamentally awesome to me. You mean people could just choose to get together, coordinate, and build one of the most complex things to exist on the planet and give it away for free? Sign me up! I think Lemmy and the Fediverse are attractive for similar reasons.

[-] Kribensis@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for this. It was very well-reasoned, and gave me a perspective I hadn't thought of before.

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[-] kbity@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

The Fediverse is home to a lot of young, tech-minded people distrustful of major corporations. The younger generations are more likely to come out as transgender due to greater awareness and acceptance of gender identity and dysphoria, and a decentralised, open platform is naturally going to appeal to communists, syndicalists and other left-wingers who don't want some billionaire buying the next website they get comfortable on. And funnily enough, there are a surprising number of trans people in the tech sector, to the point where trans-flag socks have become a meme among programmers.

[-] nodsocket@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This seems like the most straightforward answer. But it doesn't explain why people on the right haven't come to the fediverse in proportional numbers. I know a lot of right leaning Libertarian communities, and for some reason they like cryptocurrency and FOSS but not the fediverse.

[-] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

There are right-wing instances of Mastodon (gab, truth, and others), not to mention many Pleroma ones, as well as Lemmy (exploding heads, and probably others). It's just that they get quickly defederated by everyone else for various valid reasons (usually hate and abuse, sometimes even child porn), so you don't get to interact with them much. They just get stuck in their own bubble.

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[-] moitoi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

People on the right don't see the issue with neoliberalism. They are mostly fine with all the ads based system and corporate making billions out of the datas. Neoliberalism tend towards fascism with time. They will prefer fascism to redistribute profits to the workers.

The fediverse is a different point of view. You can defederate if it goes wrong with an instance what makes the profits by ad revenue impossible or too small. The big corps don't have a huge interest in these platform without profits. People on the right will follow these corps and the platforms affiliated.

On the left, people will federate. I recommend to have a good read about the fondation of the unions in the 19th century. People of the diversity will historically be on the left rather than on the right. Again, for the profits, the neoliberals will prefer to oppress you as a minority for the profits than to have social and societal consideration for you.

You ends with the people of the left coming to the fediverse and the right on corps social media.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

But they have. It's just they are so hateful and annoying that sooner than later they get banned or defederated. So they drop out of the face of the activity pub. Since no single entity can use an algo to force their views onto all users (ads or suggestion algos) they never resurface.

And of course crypto bros hate the fediverse, it doesn't let them force their ponzi schemes with ads or SEOed posts. And most people here were initially pretty tech savvy individuals, almost all actively hostile against nfts and altcoins. As for Foss, they only like that the software is free, the freedom ideology is just lip service for them, they don't actually believe. Case in point, Oracle. Foss? Free for me but not for thee.

[-] karmiclychee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

proportional

Maybe they just don't have the actual numbers you'd expect from their outsized presence in the discourse, when they're not being protected, or facilitated, or actively promoted by engagement algorithms or the individuals who own the other platforms.

(I'm pretty sure this is the case, but I'm too lazy to get sources just this minute)

[-] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

And they have very few supporters here. If you allways get screemed at by everybody if you say anything you probably loose interest in posting. On those big platforms there are allways people who support you in what you say.

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[-] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd argue the 'young' though. Polls I've seen, seem to show a huge 30-40 demographic.

[-] MaxVerstappen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ya, most young people I know that are not in tech are terrible with tech. They have only experienced EZmode and need shit put on a silver platter.

[-] Chozo@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

it's amazing what you see when algorithms aren't deciding it for you.

[-] sic_1@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe it's that homophobia and transphobia are so dominant on more popular platforms that there is a natural migration towards more free and liberal platforms. I always wondered why you see more and more racism, hate and such degeneracy the larger a platform becomes.

[-] Fisk400@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I think it's because leftists are, as a group, a lot less toxic and hateful. They are happy to be a tiny community chatting with each other about being a trans furry communist all day every day.

The right on the other hand are, as a group, a bunch of anti social losers who thrive on hating and complaining about stuff. That's not a sustainable platform because it's either a miserable experience or it gets shut down for hate speech so they migrate around and attach themselves to heathier communities and complain about those instead.

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[-] klay@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

in a word, intersectionality. you're getting people who were already looking for an excuse to ditch reddit and twitter, and of that group, you're selecting the ones with the most tech literacy. That tends to overlap people with progressive politics.

[-] Noranydroptodrink@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

My assumption is that the bots, shills, astroturfers and other corporate interests haven’t arrived in sufficient quantities yet.

It’s not that there’s more here, just the volume of noise out there is far greater and most of the content generated is for parties who gain no advantage from posing as part of either of those communities.

[-] sleepmode@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Because the people that flock to these platforms first are usually technically adept nerds and free thinkers.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

That'll be partly down to the communist and transgender coders who helped lay the foundations for this place.

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[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I would expect it's due to suppression on mainstream platforms.

And unlike hate-based subcultures like you find in conservatism or disgust-based subcultures present in traditionalist circles which require some ~~targets to criticize~~ hosts to sink their mandibles into and suck the blood out of, the LGBTQIA+, Anti-capitalist, Furry, Weeb, etc subcultures are quite happy existing without the presence of bigots, corpo-simps, or chuds in general.

The more transgender related posts are mostly because 196 a very large queer and especially trans friendly subreddit closed permanently and migrated wholesale to a instance called blahajzone. If you look at r/place right now you can tell the absence of 196 by the fact there are very few queer symbols on r/place compared to last year where 196 and associated subs had coordinated artworks and defense campaigns for their flags. I'm pretty sure last time they managed to take over the American flag and force it to move to another spot on the canvas. Now there are two small flags and nothing else.

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[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know if it's just Reddit and Lemmy, but it feels like the internet in general just started trending heavily towards transgender-related stuff in the past few years. Just references to Femboys and trans flags all over the place, it's kind of weird how quickly it gained such traction. I don't have any problem with the trans community, if any of my kids came out as LGBTQ+, I would love them just as much. In high school I literally wore dresses and got beat up and made fun of for being different (more for the punk/goth aesthetic), so I've had some understanding of what they go through, even if I don't identify with any of it personally. I sympathize with what they're going through right now given that an entire political party has decided to turn them into scapegoats.

And I think it's great that they're building a community around themselves and are able to find other people that accept them for who they are, but I find their online communities tend to be incredibly hostile and militant to anybody that is less than completely loyal to the cause. Even just asking questions, giving opinions, or commenting any sort of criticism of their militant behavior gets you banned if you're not 150% supportive. Anything you say is twisted around to make it seem like you're a bigot who completely hates trans people and you're essentially a nazi. It tends to be incredibly negative, like they're looking to be outraged at the slightest provocation. Their tactics tend to be incredibly heavy-handed, just absolutely no tolerance for Cisgender people not understanding their lifestyle.

So I've just started blocking trans and furry content because I just don't care to see it. It's just not my bag, nothing against people that are in that community. The same way nobody else would really care to see if I made posts glorifying heterosexuality and being a boring vanilla binary white guy, I'm just not interested in celebrating lifestyle choices simply for the sake of celebrating it. I'll go to LGBTQ+ weddings and I'll defend anybody's right to love whomever they want or be whatever they want to be, but I just have other things I'm more interested in reading about. Board games, science, technology, politics, climate change, graphic design, art, music, movies, and whatever else other than someone else's sexual identity. Maybe that makes me closed-minded, I don't know, I thought the point was equality?

[-] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If you block furry stuff you'll miss out on a lot of network security news

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