This is the correct take. Is it any surprise that OF models generate a lot of nsfw content? Unless the users posting is too frequent, it's not spam. If a painter links to their webpage on a post where they share their art do we cry spam? Treating their content like spam entirely on the grounds of them being OF models is honestly pretty sex negative. Y'all should support the idea of sex workers having control of their own content.
Speaking from previous experience on Reddit, the OF models are the posters most likely to start spam posting.
That shouldn't mean we auto report them here, but it's behavior to be wary of and worth checking an OF account to make sure they aren't.
I have no issue with OF, but i don't want to be overtly advertised to.
If i find myself in a /c where OF spam is out of control and the mods don't wish to do anything about it then I'll just move on.
Many NSFW Reddit subs turned to rubbish when OF users spammed the hell out of hundreds of subs, when where there content was not a match for the sub. If this happens here then it will suck as well.
I'm happy for OF users to post content appropriate to the /c they post in and include a link to their OF in the body or in a following message. But having a pair of tits posted in an anal /c along with 50 other /c's with "My only fans 50% off right now" as the title... thats spam, clear as day, and it has no place.
And for those saying its content, there is no need to grow for the sake of growth, let's rather grow naturally and at a steady pace and maintain some quality.
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I have a simple solution to this: If you are the moderator of your community, just put a rule in the sidebar disallowing OF links and references. Handle it on a per-community level.
The downside of that is that a lot of OF content is posted to dozens of communities and this fact is the main spam problem with them, not necessarily the content in any particular community on its own.
I just wish c/gonewild would hold true to what made r/gonewild special. Allowing people who monitize to post there just turns it into a generic porn subscription.
Aw man, I'm just an exhibitionist that loves showing off and talking to friendly strangers on the internet, and you guys have been so nice 🙁 I paywall some stuff so I can make a little back to justify buying cute outfits lol, but I totally get the frustration with spamming and agree it ruined reddit. Of course I will respect if a community decides I'm no longer welcome, however I will point out that almost all of the top posts on gonewild here are OF models - so a lot of valuable and appreciated content would be lost. Perhaps significantly reducing the allowable posting frequency in the future once there is more content here (e.g 1x post per sub per user per week) would increase posting quality and relevance.
Reducing posting frequency is a great solution.
I think only once per week is a bit extreme, but something like, once per sub per day, and cannot share the same photo in the same sub again until somewhere between 1-6 months have passed.
If OF takes a hold of Lemmy like it did Reddit I’ll just defederate from Lemmy all together. Nobody has time for 50 identical posts from the same user only to finish with that user’s posts just in time to pick up another OF user’s 50 identical posts. OF and their repost bot Army ruined entire communities on reddit and they for sure will do the same here if allowed.
"Do older guys even like 18yo girls? Teeheehee"
"My boyfriend made fun of my boobs and says I need implants! Teeheehee"
"Be honest. Would you smash an 18yo virgin??"
Lifts top does a small wiggle "see more on my OF" *posts to 30 other communities"
I'm not mad about it. Y'all should make money on it if you can, but most of this shit is the same and ruined porn on Reddit. I'm sure there's some that are really into the exhibition of it, and that rocks, but It'll ruin porn here too.
I block all identified OF users. All they do is post UNRELATED items to the community theme. Like what they did on reddit.
If spam crossposting becomes an issue, we will address it. The reports we are referring to here are mainly against people who are daring to just post links in the body or comments to their OF. It's not mass crossposting.
I'm gonna be really blunt here, idk how it'll be received, but: without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
I just see so many people on Reddit claim to only love "true amateur" content, but that content almost always gets hugely downvoted or goes unnoticed on the big subreddits. I think it's because people who don't profit from their stuff aren't always trying to make content with the widest appeal possible. They don't tend to care as much about being perfectly lit up so every nipple detail is visble. Or about getting the pose just right. Many won't want to show their face. You'd think the clearly true amateur stuff would be more celebrated, but it seems people want to see women make huge amounts of pro-level content just for funsies. That's not really realistic.
Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.
Definitely. I think everyone is just trigger happy from the cesspool that so many NSFW subs on reddit became. To me there were two problems.
The first one was just actual spam. Same pictures posted to every sub possible, multiple times a day, all with generic bullshit titles and the same type of "engagement". That doesn't seem to be a problem yet, and is a simple one to solve.
The second, more subjective one is that OF content is just...bad. The same type of pictures, the same videos, all just not appealing. What happened to camgirls? What happened the actual realism of amateur content? That is subjective though, I don't think you can moderate quality besides upvoting/downvoting.
There is a huge difference between inconsiderate spammers, and adult performers linking to their work.
We all hate the blatant spam on Reddit, but spam is not a unique problem, and it was not invented during the rise of adult content creation. That's why we have moderation. Know what makes moderation even harder? Abusing the moderation system.
Look, we have an opportunity here to create an active and ethical community of real people who love porn, and SUPPORT the people who create the thing we love.
Even if you never intend to pay for your porn, creators give away TONS of free material, and want to interact and build community here for free.
If you push out creators from every corner of the internet besides behind a paywall, what do you think will be left? I'll tell you: the 1% of people who are not interested in monetizing their content, and a bunch of stolen shit (for as long as it lasts, until LemmyNSFW gets hit with DMCA takedowns left and right.)
If we went that route, and the site becomes swamped with copyright takedowns, admins here could decide ONLY OC is allowed to be posted, and then yall will have that 1% of people who don't monetize to choose from. So, you can say goodbye to variety, and goodbye to finding someone who fulfills your particular fetish.
Is that the community you want to build? Sounds pretty oppressive to me.
Very well said. Talented OC creators (including sellers) are always welcomed at communities I moderate here (and on Reddit).
And I gladly nuke spam (very well defined by @hedidwot@lemmynsfw.com in comment ) and spammers (OC or not). Hoping we get better moderation tools and support soon here on Lemmy
I do feel the need to comment after reading all the negative comments about OF model posts. For one, I do not spam. I produce NSFW vids and pics because I am an exhibitionist to the core. Most of my content is free and yes, I do like to earn a little bit on OF with commissions since buying lingerie, toys and other kink related items is an expensive hobby. It saddens me a little bit if people would just view it as 'advertisement', because I truly feel like putting my 'work' out there doing my best to recreate the ideas that I have in mind.
Content creators have been quite good about NOT spam crossposting. The reports right now are just spam reports against anyone with the audacity to post an OF link in comments or body in the communities that allow them which is just extremely annoying. Like if spam crossposting becomes an issue we will discuss and address that but overall content creators have been good on that end.
why wait though? Why do we have to relive the mistakes of reddit again? We already saw what happens. nip it at the bud.
IDK sounds like spam to me.
What if an OF model posts off-topic content? For example, boob pics to an ass-centric community? To me, that's just lazy advertising, tantamount to spam, and should therefore be reported.
I made a clickable list of sellers, if you wish to block them: !sellerblock@lemmy.world
It's only like 100 for now, so doable by hand. For now, it includes some other types of sellers that you can skip, of course.
This way there is no need to argue, or to harass mods with false reports. Keep in mind that they do this work voluntarily.
The anti-OF posters sound exceedingly hyperbolic. I'm certain there's a reasonable way to ensure OF/ManyVids/Fansly models are encouraged to post free content here without it consuming the entire site.
But posters demanding that all OF models be banned entirely sound hella unreasonable.
Go make your own community and ban OF models from it
Naw, the site would be better off simply banning only fans. Go to Reddit if you want ads.
Thanks for saying this…♥️ I’ve been saying this too. Obviously spammy posts within the communities is a turn off. Having a link in our bios to try to earn because we are posting FREE NUDITY is reasonable and necessary.
This I'm totaly fine with. I hate being advertised to... really really hate it..... ... but if i see something i like and there is a subtle link in the message or a comment by OP that is totally fine.
it's not free though, if you only do it in return for an advertising space. It's a business and means nothing to many people.
I personally get no value from your posts. It's like a beggar playing an instrument on the side of the road to me. I never asked for it, and would never enjoy it nor pay for it.
Of course it is still spammy when 9 out of 10 posts are ads by 9 different women.
I personally don't enjoy OF posts at all. Why would I? I don't enjoy when prostitutes call me cute either. It's a business for lonely people.
I post myself, too, but only because I enjoy doing it for free, and because I enjoy genuine reactions by people who also don't make money with it. If a sex worker with an ad on her profile says " nice dick bro", that doesn't mean anything to me. My life would have been the same without her comment.
I don't mind seeing only few, but legitimate posts either. Imho selling should be contained to separate communities, not the other way round (allowing it by default and needing special places without it).
Report and delete all OF models. They bring nothing of value
Man if this is the official stance for this sub I'm fucking out. Y'all enjoy your fucking thirst trap ads lol
But who cares if it's technically an ad? You still get the porn content you previously wouldn't get. No one's forcing you to pay for the extra stuff.
I'll fap to many things, but 20 identical posts with stupid questions as title because it drives engagement, posted in random subs that it doesn't even remotely fit in, I won't fap to! I have my dignity!
First because it's annoying. I sub to things for content, not links to "better content" behind a pay wall.
If I wanted that I'd just go get on OF and never come to places like this.
Second, it's disingenuous. I just reported another post as an example as to why it's bad for content. If they can scrape OF subscribers off of here, why would they reveal anything for free? Post a pretty face pic and throw their OF link in so you go spend there.
Some of us are exhibitionists AND like money lol
And you can do both where they belong. It's advertising, spam, whatever you want to call it.
This isn't a paid service or subscription platform. If I want to seek you out to give you money I'll do that, but I'm not here for it and it should have its own sub dedicated to that type of content.
Why would I post nudes on a spammy OF community? You’re saying I should be excluded from every community besides that kind just because I have a Fansly.
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