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This godforsaken country is introducing the bill that allows to strip people of birth-given russian citizenship for some things - like desertion and discreditation of army (which happens every time you question war)

So, my question, if someone loses all citizenship, what happens next? Is their life basically over? Is there a way to re-gain citizenship (like, in another country)? Can they be deported?

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[-] Mic_Check_One_Two@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You become stateless, and it’s a legal nightmare. Most countries won’t deport you, because they have nowhere to deport you to. But some countries like Australia will detain you until you get citizenship elsewhere. Sort of a catch-22, where you need to apply for citizenship to get out of prison, but can’t because no country wants to grant you citizenship because you’re in prison. The act of being stateless in itself isn’t a crime, but living somewhere without a visa is, and some countries (like Australia) don’t automatically grant visas to stateless people without some other reason like a refugee application.

Prior to the 60’s, it used to be much more common, because most countries use a legal concept called Jus Sanguinis, which basically means that citizenship gets passed from parents to children via birth. America, on the other hand, uses something called Jus Soli, which grants citizenship based on you being born in the country. But if the parents aren’t eligible to pass their citizenship on and the country they’re in doesn’t practice Jus Soli, then the child would be stateless. Back in the 60’s, most Jus Sanguinis countries agreed at a convention to provide emergency citizenship to individuals who would otherwise be born stateless.

These days, the largest causes are typically financial/records keeping issues in third world countries, or are due to politics like you’re describing. In the former, imagine a Jus Sanguinis country where you need to prove who your parents are. But they don’t have copies of their birth certificates or your birth certificate, and you don’t have money to get new ones. There’s also an administrative fee when you try to file the paperwork, and you can’t afford it. In the latter, it’s often due to good old fashioned racism. Certain ethnic groups being denied citizenship (like the Uyghur Muslims in China, or the Koreans in Japan following world war 2.) It’s also commonly due to authoritarian governments stripping citizenship for arbitrary reasons like you’ve mentioned. Russia isn’t the first to strip citizenship; It’s also common in parts of the Middle East.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

America, on the other hand, uses something called Jus Soli, which grants citizenship based on you being born in the country.

I would clarify this from "America" to "most of the New World".

[-] poopsmith@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[-] LostCause@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Wait, you are trans and in Russia? That seems like reason enough to flee, I wouldn‘t wait until they become aware enough of you to strip your citizenship. Maybe Finland would be ok: https://en.seta.fi/human-rights-support/asylum-for-the-lgbt-and-activists/

Good luck, I hope you will be safe.

[-] HomebrewHedonist@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

What happens is that you become a stateless person, just like the Palestinians once where. I can't speak for Russian law.

[-] CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Many palestinians are still stateless world wide around 5 million persons.

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Why should life be over?

There are just some rights that you don't have anymore. Some duties, too.

Uhhh afaik stateless persons generally live in prisons or airports

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

stateless persons generally live in prisons

Only in rogue countries.

[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Like Australia.

[-] solivine@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I honestly don't know, I remember someone got trapped at an airport once because their country stopped existing while they were there

[-] ma11en@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Tom Hanks made a documentary about it.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Are you talking about The Terminal? Unless he made a second movie about the same guy, the word"documentary" seems like a stretch.

[-] kn33@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think they were making the type of joke where people will call movies "documentaries" when they're really "fiction that can kind of almost be attributed to real events"

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

See: Idiocracy

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