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US refuses climate reparations for developing nations (www.bbc.com)

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[-] iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US says it will not "under any circumstances" pay reparations to developing countries hit by climate change-fuelled disasters.

Climate envoy John Kerry made the remarks at a Congress hearing before flying to China to discuss the issue.

The Biden administration really appointed not only a climate denier but also a colonialism denier as the climate envoy lmao. What next, John Kerry proclaims slavery never happened?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

It's really on the nose when you think about it.

[-] blterrible@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Of all the countries burning fossil fuels, why does the US get singled out for reparations other than it's a popular punching bag and the "face" of western capitalism? It's not like the US is sitting on stacks of cash. Quite the opposite...

https://www.unep.org/explore-topics/climate-action/what-we-do/climate-action-note/state-of-climate.html

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Lots of reasons, starting with the fact that US uses far more energy per capita than most countries. US also imposes its economic system upon the world that necessitates constant growth an consumption. US arguably being the wealthiest country in the word is also in a better position than most countries to actually do something about the problem.

Compare this with China which has an actual plan to transition off fossil fuels that it's actively implementing. China now leads the world in both nuclear and renewables by a huge margin, and continues to implement clean energy solutions at scale. If China is able to do this, then why is US isn't puling its weight?

[-] zoe@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

country run by old fart boomers, what do u expect ? they used to have everything handed to them with no effort in life. also boomers are the worst gen ever: they think the world revolves around them and dont believe in taking and giving back.

[-] DougHolland@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Climate change is largely America's fault, so Kerry's statement seems asinine to me, and quickly erases the already low levels of respect I've had for him.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Indeed, it's the typical colonial mindset where the rest of the world has to pay for American hubris.

[-] Arcane_Trixster@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Another post about this where people didn't read the article, but jump to anti-American conclusions. This story is about American politicians arguing semantics. The article says that America does contribute to a fund that was agreed upon by many countries in a summit in Egypt. Whether that is fair is debatable, but America is paying in to it.

Every country is refusing to use the term "reparations" because it implies legal guilt, and no country wants to get "sued" by the world.

Again, this is a pointless argument about semantics, and what term to use.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Thing is that there is legal guilt associated with US colonialism. The atrocities US commits against other countries are well documented, and US backed institutions such as the IMF are directly responsible for perpetuating the economic relations that have created the climate crisis. Acknowledging the role US has played in creating the crisis and holding US accountable is far from pointless.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Reparations" not only imply guilt, but also justice and fairness. Contributing to a fund that doesn't cover even a fraction of the damage caused by the US is not nearly good enough and proves that the US should be forced to pay reparations.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

You realize that paying C02 emissions based on capita for a country makes no sense. If you believe a country should be paying than it pays per country impact. So that would stipulate that China needs to be paying twice what the U.S. does.... which I somehow imagine you aren't going to agree with.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

You have to account for outsourcing of industry when considering emissions. If the emissions are coming from China, but they're coming from a US-based company that's making products for people in the US, then you can't really blame China for those emissions. It's certainly not a simple matter, but let's not pretend like this is some impossible thing to measure.

China must pay its fair share to help save the world, but determining "fair share" is more complicated than just determining how much carbon came from within the borders of the country.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Measure by emissions within your country. If China allows a company to operate within their borders they are responsible for said fees. Pass the fees to those companis if you wish, but they are their lands. The companies will move elsewhere if the fees are to high or find alternative ways to do business producing less emissions. It really isn't tough to figure out.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

China has only been allowed to grow as much as it has because it has played nice with American capitalism, so can you even imagine the global economic and geopolitical melt down that would cause? If China started forcing all polluting industries to either clean up or get out of their country it would cause the greatest economic depression in history, start a new Cold War, and probably lead to World War 3.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

More likely it would just get negotiated that costs needed to be less per emissions and then they had x years to make efforts to prove they are mitigating as much as possible. And the same old shit would carry on as it is right now.

(Not saying this is what I want, just that this is how it seems)

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

What on Earth does "costs needed to be less per emissions" mean?

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Same bullshit as always. No one will end up paying an amount that will "re-pay" sufficiently. Instead it just goes back to hoping tech advancments move us to cleaner energy quickly.

(Aka. If they were going to pay x per footprint, they instead would pay x/y)