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Giuliani went from RICO charge prosecutor to a defendant in Fulton County DA Fani Willis' RICO case over Trump's alleged 2020 election interference.

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[-] bauhaus@lemmy.ml 269 points 1 year ago
[-] Sightline@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

What's this from?, seems familiar.

[-] AssPennies@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

The old(?) Ricola cough drops commercials. They were huge in the '90s, not sure about since then though (I stopped watching tv a little after that period).

[-] Hexarei@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

One day I hope to be this clever. For now, have an uplaw

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[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 187 points 1 year ago

If Giuliani had retired from public life in the years after 9/11 he would have had a positive entry in the history of the USA.

Now?

Well...

[-] fear@kbin.social 104 points 1 year ago

The praise he received after 9/11 was how I first heard his name. Shining example of "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

[-] athos77@kbin.social 93 points 1 year ago

My sister lived in New York for a decade before 9/11. You do not want to know what the New Yorkers thought of Guiliani.

[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 68 points 1 year ago

Yep. The guy has always been a total tool all his life. 9/11 gave him a positive reaction for people outside NYC.

[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

Yes, please. We do want to know.

(I read somewhere, long ago, that some suspect he went after the Italian mob in NY merely to clear room for the Russian mob.. with attendant kickbacks to him for doing so... any juice to that?)

[-] raltoid@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

Long story short, he was always a slimy asshole, but here are some key points from wikipedia and just in regards to his mayoral position:

  • Hated the homeless and tried to have them "removed"(used cops to arrest them and shove them in overcrowded shetlers. A church ended up suing the city for their right to help homeless people)

  • "cracked down on crime", by basically aggressively arresting people for minor crimes like jumping the turnstile.

  • Tried to stop multiple community service proogram for the mentally ill, elderly, day-care, etc.

  • Big fan of "eminent domain" to take buildings and give them to his sponsors.

  • Racist with multiple racist pollcies, many staffers and leaders left because of him.

  • He threaten funding for the Brooklyn Musem if they didn't remove several pieces, specifically including one called "The Holy Virgin Mary" which was of a black person. Calling it a governement-supported attack on christianity and they had to sue the city.

  • Campaigned on fixing public schools, but cut $2bill of their budget and $4.7bill from the repairs budget

  • Two days after Columbine he said he wanted to "blow up" the Board of Education.

  • Wanted to imprison the teachers union president if they went into strike(their contract was up and the city hadn't started any renegotiation)

  • Allegedly cheated on his wife with his spokeswoman

  • Tried to threaten Time Warner to have Fox on their cable network, and defended Murdoch when all the surveillance and bribery scandals came about

  • His administration lost 22 out of 26 civil liberty lawsuits against them, mostly for trying to stifle first amandment rights.

  • He wanted a deal with Virginia in which they had to take NYCs trash, in exchange for them being able to visit NYCs culture sites. He also tried to send it to New Jersey, and announced that wihtout actually talking to them first, at all. This all happened because he closed a landfill 20-30 years too early , because he didn't like how it looked, so it had to be shipped out of town. Costing millions, causing even more pollution, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty_of_Rudy_Giuliani#Criticisms_and_controversies

And much, much more.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Don't forget 'Rudy To the Rescue,' when he libelled an EMS crew and their Lieutenant because they wanted to take a kid who'd been hit by a car to the nearest hospital.

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[-] raltoid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Long story short, he was always a slimy asshole, but here are some key points from wikipedia and just in regards to his mayoral position:

  • Hated the homeless and tried to have them "removed"(used cops to arrest them and shove them in overcrowded shetlers. A church ended up suing the city for their right to help homeless people)

  • "cracked down on crime", by basically aggressively arresting people for minor crimes like jumping the turnstile.

  • Tried to stop multiple community service proogram for the mentally ill, elderly, day-care, etc.

  • Big fan of "eminent domain" to take buildings and give them to his sponsors.

  • Racist with multiple racist pollcies, many staffers and leaders left because of him.

  • He threaten funding for the Brooklyn Musem if they didn't remove several pieces, specifically including one called "The Holy Virgin Mary" which was of a black person. Calling it a governement-supported attack on christianity and they had to sue the city.

  • Campaigned on fixing public schools, but cut $2bill of their budget and $4.7bill from the repairs budget

  • Two days after Columbine he said he wanted to "blow up" the Board of Education.

  • Wanted to imprison the teachers union president if they went into strike(their contract was up and the city hadn't started any renegotiation)

  • Allegedly cheated on his wife with his spokeswoman

  • Tried to threaten Time Warner to have Fox on their cable network, and defended Murdoch when all the surveillance and bribery scandals came about

  • His administration lost 22 out of 26 civil liberty lawsuits against them, mostly for trying to stifle first amandment rights.

  • He wanted a deal with Virginia in which they had to take NYCs trash, in exchange for them being able to visit NYCs culture sites. He also tried to send it to New Jersey, and announced that wihtout actually talking to them first, at all. This all happened because he closed a landfill 20-30 years too early , because he didn't like how it looked, so it had to be shipped out of town. Costing millions, causing even more pollution, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty_of_Rudy_Giuliani#Criticisms_and_controversies

And much, much more.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I mean... they voted for him. More than once. He was mayor from 1994 to 2001.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

He won his first because a newspaper man named Jimmy Breslin discovered a huge scandal involving a Democrat politician, Donald Manes. Breslin did the hard work and Rudy got to play Mr. DA

[-] ZzyzxRoad@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

As a Californian dealing with Feinstein, I am so sick of the "well you voted for them!" bs. We all know how fucked American elections are. We all know that we are not given any true choice of who gets in office. Why would state elections be any better? Even living in a state that's technically a direct democracy, it still comes down to whoever has the most money. Local elections tend to have more candidates, but less information available on them, and while anyone can propose a ballot initiative here, it again comes down to having enough money to do that.

The whole thing is a shit show that comes down to choosing democrats or fascists. And while democrats may not be the best choice, the "both sides" thing is also bs because there's an obvious right choice there.

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[-] fear@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I do actually. Please tell.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 60 points 1 year ago

New Yorker here.

It was out of town newspapers/media that pushed Rudy. Locals knew that he'd fumbled the terrorism ball dozens of times. Police and Fire Department were using incompatible radios and weren't able to coordinate efforts; his anti-terror HQ was destroyed on the day because he didn't listen to the experts who told him to put it in Brooklyn.

No one in NYC was priaisning him on 9/12.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

what's hilarious is he wasn't really all that good of a mayor. he constantly got in the way of the 9/11 response, constantly fucked people over as a prosecuter, etc. The only noteworthy "good" thing he did was be mayor of a a city, when that city became the site of the worst terrorist attack in US history.

[-] downpunxx@kbin.social 79 points 1 year ago

hahahahahaha, Fulton County Georgia is gonna get and release mug shots on every single one of these motherfuckers, and the court cases are going to be televised, ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I wonder if they'll sell collections of mugs, with the mugshots on them.

[-] const_void@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

They could call it Mug Club.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

*My Mug Club

[-] Feirdro@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Donnie has wet dreams about a televised trial. It’s just another stage to him. He’ll mug the judiciary and the left will draw back in horror and the right will cheer him.

And the legal system will be left even weaker than it was before.

[-] NegentropicBoy@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

"The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. "

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago

Wrong RICO act. Trump was indicted under Georgia's version.

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[-] whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you know what’s really funny? of the 40 counts on the indictment, Trump is charged with 14. Rudy? 15.

lmao

[-] yiliu@informis.land 10 points 1 year ago

Trump is gonna be pissed that he got eclipsed...

[-] TheCopiedCovenant@lemmy.cafe 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Whenever I hear this man's name, I must remind everyone of the time in Borat 2 where he began to touch himself after having drinks with (who he believed to be) a young news reporter (happens around 3:30) Gross old crone ...

[-] IBNobody@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

And she wasn't even his cousin!

[-] matchphoenix@feddit.uk 23 points 1 year ago

This can be a side exhibit at the Men Killed By Their Own Inventions museum.

[-] popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 year ago

You can't piss on the American People and tell them it's rain forever

Common sense will eventually prevail, and the truth is golden.

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[-] Iwasondigg@lemmy.one 16 points 1 year ago
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[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 15 points 1 year ago

Didn't he also pioneer the "perp walk"? Can we pleeeeease see him and The Cheeto led down the courthouse steps in handcuffs? Pretty please?

[-] wolfylow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

So a question from a non-American …. How likely is any of this to lead to actual conviction/incarceration?

What’s the feeling in the country? Is this all just likely to be brushed off?

[-] Iwasondigg@lemmy.one 35 points 1 year ago

We are in uncharted waters at this point. I don't think anyone could really answer this question with certainty.

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[-] nbafantest@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Most of them, Trumps guilt is almost assured. However if he elected president again, he can pardon himself for his own crimes.

These Georgia charges are very likely to land a conviction, at least on som of them. And as president trump cannot pardon any of these crimes.

I personally doubt we will see any jail time for any of them. Maybe a house arrest or something of that nature.

[-] onionbaggage@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago

RICO has minimum jail time of 5 years.

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I think this one has the potential to stick. Not just because it's a state charge that can be easily pardoned. But I think it tells a story that even Conservatives in the South can relate to: a bunch of elites from the North storming in and acting like they're the ones in charge.

[-] Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I suppose the fear is we will get a jury, in Georgia, where I suppose there is a high chance to get a MAGA fanatic, and you only need one asshole to sabotage the entire trial. This is always the risk with all jury selections, and the lawyers are very aware of this when they do voir dire

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[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!

[-] tekchic@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

So much schadenfreude right now. It’s about damn time.

[-] solidgrue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
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