California Fertility Rates Show Surprising Trends During The Pandemic (www.stoppopulationdecline.org)

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[-] tintory@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Apparently increasing social spending and work flexibility is great for American Families. Who knew?

[-] rarely@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Stop the population decline? Is this some nazi-centric great replacement bullshit? Our population and birth rates are fine. What the hell kind of propaganda is this?!

edit: maybe this is just a poorly-choosen domain name.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Have you even read the article

More evidence is popping up that increased social spending and flexible work arrangements, including remote work, can positively impact fertility rates, as shown in California. Yet, influential figures in California like Elon Musk and other Silicon Valley "pronatalists", are against these measures and more. Their opposition to remote work, work flexibility, and social spending, coupled with efforts to hamper new infrastructure projects and drive up housing costs. They will not make it easy to do what's needed.

[+] rarely@sh.itjust.works -8 points 1 year ago

Nope because I am not interested in the article, I am commenting about the site itself. I did visit the site and click around a bit.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Nothing on the site, nothing, is related to that insane right wing nonsense

It just keeps hammering in is the need for more Social Spending, YIMBYism, and Mental Health

[-] rarely@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Ok, then why the domain name? Why the name of the site? Where is this decline?

I mean, at some point in this chart, the admin of the site decided “stoppopulationdecline” was the brand they were going to go with.. and yet, I see no point in this chart where the population was declining.

The only folks I hear talking about the decline of population usually refer to the decline fo the white population.

From what I’ve seen, population decline is usually discussed in terms of birth rates, and less so on the current population declining due deaths. If this site is refering to an increase in deaths as population decline, we would think we would see it on the graph.

It just may be an unfortunate name chosen. It certainly raises my BS alarm.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

That Chart does not cover a lot of things and phenomena
A lot of right wing lunatics do talk about whites, especially the creepy nerds who run pronatalist.org
people also talk about population decline in reference to Asia and Latin America whose suffering from mass emigration and collapsing fertility , how people are dying younger and younger now in the western world because of austerity and corporate greed, or how young people don’t have homes because of NIMBYs to the town towns are declining, or because of economic strife

[-] rarely@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It is, however, a graph of the world population. I see your point though.
Not agreeing with pronatalism but it is interesting comparison in domain names. Pronatalist on it's cover sounds nice, like 'prolife'. Who isn't for life?! And births are life! So, hey we found the solution to the population decline, let's all start making babies, pronatalism! Meanwhile I can quickly google and see that wow, population isn't declining, just look at the graph! So, as a visitor to the site who doesn't know anything about it, "pronatalism" "prolife" and "pro-candy" all sound like nice, safe, easy things to get into. Stop population decline sounds like trying to stop a thing that isn't happening until you understand that it's a more nuanced view of population - that decline is happening but on the scale we see in the graph you can't really detect it. (Note:i don't support prolife or pronatalism agendas, i just wanted to do a thought experiment to show my point).
Fair point. It's hard to convey that in a domain name. Maybe stoppopulationdecline does that to most people already.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

You really didn’t read the article

points out that African American women had it harder during the COVID crisis, the brunt of the crisis's financial and health impacts, and we need serious policies to address.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ignorant American propaganda.

Yes, it does share many, many similarities with Nazi rhetoric, especially when it comes from conservatives.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Like what?

Please tell me oh wise one

Tell me what in this site has Nazi rhetoric because as far as I know Nazis hate spending money on the poor

[-] rarely@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I am going to guess they did what I did and assumed the domain name had to do with the great replacement theory.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Yep

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not speaking of the site, but just responding to the, "what kind of propaganda is this?" question.

I answered that question: It's American ignorance.

[-] rarely@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I thought the same and it may be the case still, but skimming the site's content doesn't suggest overt rhetoric. There may be that bias in the agenda somewhere but it seems to focus on human rights issues and not the great replacement theory. Unfortunate domain name, I guess. See my other discussions with op on this link.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not speaking of the site, but just responding to the, "what kind of propaganda is this?" question.

I answered that question: It's American ignorance.

[-] Crozekiel@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Does it scare anyone else that our society seems to completely rely on there always being more people tomorrow than yesterday? It just isn't sustainable. There are too many people on this planet already, and we are seeing the effects of it worse every day...

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Don’t worry!

Republicans are hellbent to decrease social spending, stop woke RTO, and all the stuff that helps people achieve their family goals!

They will make sure that no policy that will increase family size gets implemented

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Population decline due to overshoot is known as 'collapse'. The path taken by such a population is referred to as 'overshoot-and-collapse'. Collapse, like overshoot, can occur due to various factors, with the Malthusian catastrophe being a specific but not identical case. [Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overshoot_(population).

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