[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Why do you have to defend the fascists in this specific case, then?

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

If hating tankies means you have to support fascist dictatorships, then I guess I'll never hate tankies.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Russia and the US are trying to do the exact same thing to Eastern Europe right now. Just because the US claims "this is for democracy" doesn't make it better. Also, the US recognizes Taiwan as an island beloning to China, they just hold informal agreements for the sake of military and tech, like chips or manufacturing.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

It rarely happens because fascists laugh at them before ordering their execution, and they get purged by any serious Communist party. Loud as they are, we all know what happens to them in the end.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

There's no excuse for it, really. They always get involved with anti-(US)imperialism, and end up having high ranking members of their parties shake hands with reactionaries. You can support lifting sanctions on Iran, Syria, etc. without actually supporting Bashar al-Assad or Holocaust-deniers. They went to far in pursuit of geopolitcs rather than recognizing that one's domestic bourgeosie is the major threat.

Imagine if Trump won 2024 and backed out of NATO. Who cares if Trump (a hardline anti-labor conservative) gets us out of wars if he thinks Joe Biden is a Communist. Of course, anyone to the left of Nick Fuentes would be sent to jail for "anti-patriotic actions" or some shit.

The same excuse of "the enemy of my enemy..." was used when the USSR told the Chinese Communists to just fully join with the Kuomintang after defeating Japan (which were backed by Americans that got rich off the Opium Wars and massacred leftists); or when China under Mao called the USSR social-imperialist and backed the Pol Pot regime.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Rules-based international system? Did you copy and paste from a right-wing think tank or something? I always thought that phrase was a joke for rich Americans to say when they carpet bomb a wedding and the military gets away with it. You can sleep at night peacefully, I'm sure, since China and Russia would need at least a decade or two to finish the job.

But if your "rules based system" collapses because Chinese bots are posting memes in communities with a few thousand followers, then it deserves to happen.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

You need to research some info on LaRouche and Dugin. They sound like complete jokes and everyone downplays their influence, but it's very real. That's where this comes from.

Also, Stalin was supported at that time in the US because of major wins in labor disputes and the fact that we were allied during WWII. The USSR was defeating Germany under Stalin, and we (the US) decided to finish off the losing team (luckily Germany). He was considered a hero, and a genuine revolutionary Communist for his work, and the fight against Nazism is how he went down in history. Ironically, wrt. your comment, it was the de-Stalinizing USSR under Khrushchev that were the "tankies", it had nothing to do with Stalin at all.

Like many other impoverished, war-torn, or underdeveloped countries, socialism failed to be fully achieved in the USSR and ended up getting stuck. We could recognize the good and move on to build something better.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, there is a long documented list of crimes that make China look like a Muslim paradise compared to anything in Europe or North America, and Ukraine has every problem that Russia does. Again, why are we all trying to compare sides? Of course, with Russian suppression, it will soon be just as repressive as Ukraine, and China has a bunch of "war on terror" laws just like the US, so there's nothing to be proud of there.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

We're caught in the middle of a third world war, with many similarities to the first one: namely, inter-imperialist/inter-capitalist. Saying something bad about "your team" (the one you're supposed to praise as supreme and glorious with a clear display of patriotism) is seen as traitor behavior worthy of prison. The US and UK would dehumanize Germans back during WWI, and send labor activists to jail over claims of German interference. You're right to avoid the trap of dehumanizing "the other" for the sake of trying to pick the lesser of two evils. Never pick sides in an inter-imperialist conflict. At best you get an FDR to avert revolution, at worst you get a bunch of Mussolinis walking around.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

It's not an "ideology" either. It's a mode of production, which includes feudalism, slave society, and capitalism. The argument has been about how we move from a capitalist society to a class-less/state-less society.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

I haven't seen a single country identify as Communist, not in the past and not in the present. They have identified as socialist, welfare capitalist, building socialism, or state-capitalist.

[-] BLU_Raze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Who is trying to establish communism here? Even socialism as a whole was already abandonded by both Russia and Ukraine in the 1960s, maybe even earlier. If two sides are verifiably fighting for capitalist interests, with a single country caught between choosing to pawn themselves off to one major capitalist power or another, and both sides have been confirmed to commit war crimes far beyond what could be passed off as incidental,

why do we have to support a side?

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