[-] DarthJon@lemmy.world -5 points 10 hours ago

And that shows just how little you understand about this conflict.

[-] DarthJon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

I know where you're headed with this so I'm just cutting it off now before we argue about your claims about what Israel is doing.

[-] DarthJon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

This isn't difficult to grasp. Israel has the right to go to war against its enemies, and children die in war. If you can explain how to fight a war without children dying, I'm all ears. But the responsibility for those deaths lies with the people who started the war - especially since they started it knowing full well that large numbers of Palestinians would die in the process. They want those deaths.

Honestly, you're just incredibly naive about this. It's frightening that so many people are so blinded by their hate that they have come to see barbaric terrorists and radical Islamists as the good guys. Your moral compass is just so messed up.

Oh, and don't lecture me on what Zionism is. It's our movement. We defined it.

[-] DarthJon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

My initial comment describes all the things anti-Israel protesters are doing that aren't "criticism of Israel." That's the point. They're not criticizing Israel, they're calling for its destruction.

[-] DarthJon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It's not impossible if there was a commitment on both sides to make it happen. There has never been a commitment on the part of the Palestinians, and there isn't one with the Netanyahu government.

As I said before, Israel WAS interested in a two state solution. Until the second intifada. How many plans and proposals would the Palestinians have to reject before you admit that maybe they actually don't want peaceful coexistence?

Israeli nationalism is not the problem. Israel exists. I has existed for 76 years. The problem is Arab and Muslim rejectionism. They simply won't give up on their dream of driving the Jews into the sea. Moderate Arab nations have given up on that dream but the radical Islamists haven't. That's why Hamas launched their attack when they did, because they wanted to destroy the Abraham Accords.

And sorry, but there is no room in any reasonable moral system for accepting barbaric terrorism as "legitimate resistance" or a response to grievances. Blowing up nightclubs full of young people and busses taking people to work and school is not political protest. Besides, they have had opportunities to negotiate peace and chose not to take advantage of those opportunities. They had a chance to turn Gaza into a legitimate state when Israel withdrew in 2005 and they chose to turn it into a Hamas terrorist base.

Israel has not won total victory, which is why this cycle has continued for so long. The US and the international community has never let them achieve total victory. This war is different. The Netanyahu government has decided to finally achieve total victory.

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