When Luka's not bitching and flopping he's enjoyable to watch and Kyrie is very enjoyable to watch so not sure why ppl hate them so much

A lot of what you said is just factually incorrect. Putting the west bank aside and focusing on Gaza, there was no humanitarian crisis before October 7 and there are no settlements in Gaza. The "snipers at the border" were not so effective on the day of October 7th when Hamas broke into Israel and massacred women and children. Hamas did not go into settlements in the west bank. It went into regular villages and cities and did what it did.

And that last part about the mocking of Holocaust survivors, not sure where you get that from

Every Palestinian in Gaza knows they are using hospitals, mosques, schools to conduct their military operation from there. Have you seen them wearing uniforms in their videos?

This is no secret, it's playbook assymetric warfare tactic I honestly don't understand the denial about it. Do you expect them to have some military base with a helicopter landing so Israel can bomb it in a second?

Do you just want to troll or have a meaningful discussion?

I can see you are washed with hatred, I don't blame you.

I can tell you many stories about Israeli peace activists that were affected by all this as well, like this guy for example: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/israeli-exec-who-hired-palestinians-in-tech-boom-still-hopes-for-peace-while-mourning-slain-daughter-c8af06c8

He hired engineers from Gaza and the west bank to try and foster peace through work and his daughter was murdered on Oct 7th. He still hasn't given up on hope.

If you only choose to hate, you continue to cycle

I think you're giving too much discount for the Palestinians for their current state or affairs and make it sound like everything that happened to them was done to them by Israel only. Both you and I know that is not true. A lot of things could and should have been handled differently, the same of course can be said for Israel. So try to get out of the position for a moment and see that there are a lot of things Palestinians can do to try and change their situation, regardless of any shitty behavior by Israel.

Unfortunately everything you said about israel is true, as an (expat) Israeli I see the current conflict only drives us further from any solution and more bloodshed in the future is almost certain.

Regarding Hamas, it's a fundamentalist jihadistic group that will not stop until the complete annihilation of all the Jews, with that I'm certain as they are saying exactly that. However they can be overthrown, that is what this war is about. Who will replace them ? No idea. Might be even worse...

There are many good people on both ends that want to live in peace. Unfortunately the leadership is bad, driven by extremists and the politics are horrible (at least on Israel's side, don't know much about PA)

Palestinians should agree to get their own country and rule it themselves. Why would they be starved and killed ? Not sure I follow. No one should be starved or killed.

And regarding Hamas - Israel cannot coexist next to it. Since Palestinians will not remove Hamas, who else will do it ? Egypt ? The rest of the Arab world ? Israel is left to do it unfortunately. I would like to see any other country in the middle east handle a situation like that... Think they would eliminate Hamas with 0 civilian casualties?

Given the chance, I would immediately start negotiations for two states solution but that will never happen in the current climate.

I agree with your analysis of Israel. I don't see much hope for change there, unfortunately and looks like this sentiment will only grow stronger from now on. However the discussion was around Hamas specifically. They don't want to live in peace alongside Israel. They completely deny the concept of Israel and will not stop until the last Jew is driven out. Can't justify that either

Israel was not occupying Gaza, in fact it withdrew its settlements and all army forces in 2005. On October 7th, not a single Israeli soldier was in Gaza.

Which one ?