[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Wonder why you are getting downvoted as this is a perfectly legitimate point. Are they just not in Europe or something?

Or who knows, they really could be in the Vativan, stranger things have happened. But I don't know why they would mention those circumstances without qualification that they are special circumstances. Kind of burying the lede there.

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

That's not something I see on masto but maybe I'm missing something

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It would only take a handful of dedicated zionists to kick up a fuss to create the debate.

I think there's an important caveat here. Yes, it's not a democracy, but I don't think stirring up a fuss is as easy as citing various wiki editing policies and starting arguments. If you invoke them frivolously you aren't going to succeed at making edits.

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

You can't for a number of reasons. As other people have said this catastrophically underestimates the complexity of maintaining a code base for a browser.

they’re often 3–5 years behind other browsers in implementing new web standards

I don't even think that's remotely true. My understanding is that it's on the order of a few months to a year, and it relates to things that are negligible to the average end user. They are edge case things like experimental 3d rendering. The most significant one I can think of is Webp, but they resisted adoption for principled reasons relating to Google's control over that format and aggressive pushing of it, which is a good thing not a bad thing, and an important example of how rushing to adopt new standards it's not necessarily just a sign of browser health but also an anti-competitive practice intentionally pushed by companies that have money to throw around for that purpose.

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

They wouldn’t be at the mercy of anything. That’s…how open source works.

That's how Chromium works.

Anyone can see the source, but it doesn't mean that anyone's code makes it into Chromium, because Google picks and chooses. Chromium has a "reviewer pool" of Google developers doing all the picking and choosing. Getting into the reviewer pool takes months to years of building up a contribution history and being vetted by the Google team.

They're completely at the mercy of how Google integrates things like DRM, or web standards that Google wants to push, like a deeply integrated into the browser and actively maintained with little to no alternative. The engineering overhead of sustaining and increasingly complex fork of Chromium is unsustainable and unless you have the development capability to compete, Google controls the destiny of any chromium browser.

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

You’re right about the fact that building an engine is hard, but Socraticly speaking, then why are there so many blink-based browsers and so few gecko-based ones? The answer is because blink is easy to embed in a new project and gecko isn’t.

Okay, that's an interesting point. I mean, there are forks galore of Firefox so I'm not entirely sure I understand. But certainly chromium-based browsers have been getting more traction.

But wasn't the original point something about how hard it is to make a browser?

And if I have this right you're suggesting that it would be achievable for Firefox to make an accessible browser tool kit but they're not due to ulterior motives?

I'm not sure I understand that, either in terms of motive or just impractical terms what it is you think they're doing to make it hard to develop.

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Hold on, why are we talking about this like it's something that's not happening? There's all kinds of forks of Firefox.

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Mozilla does not look any reliable

People keep saying this, but why? Because if it's anything like what people have been saying in these Lemmy threads, good god.

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Found the one sane comment in this entire thread.

Google may or may not stop paying Mozilla as part of the antitrust scrutiny. I have no idea if there's actual reporting to this effect, or any form of legal analysis suggesting this is the most plausible outcome. If anything, antitrust scrutiny might lead to this funding being more secure and more robust.

So this might not happen, but this whole threads carrying on like it's a fait accompli.

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The CEO is like slightly more than 1% of their annual revenue.

[-] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I used it to help me create a level 10 DND character for a one shot and it was great for that

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