Carbohydrates are converted to glucose in the liver. Someone who needs to maintain very strict glycemic control needs to be careful with grains and fruit.

Syncthing

You'll eventually run into vitamin deficiencies if you don't eat anything else.

What is deficient?

Everything is in a context, I'm just going to discuss one in your first link (which isn't research, just a blog) - Scurvy. The intuit eating their traditional diet did not get scurvy, famously... funnily enough - meat has vitamin C in it (among other things) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22063662/

Oh, I now realize the first site also lists Vitamin A as a carnivore deficiency, but also says Liver is the best source of Vitamin A..... That is .... some gymnastics there. Let me say, you can't eat healthily by just eating muscle. You have to eat the whole animal - tip to tail. Liver too! Liver is the best thing you ever eat. The fat is necessary, the organs are necessary. That is why ground meat is probably the best food you can get at a grocery store (just behind liver)

The second paper - Food questionnaire applied to a high carbohydrate population (healthy user bias/observational study)

Third paper - They even use 'MAY' in the title, which also means MAY NOT.

The fourth - is a article by a lay person.

This is the poor quality science issue I was referring to in the previous post.

If your going to have a blanket statement like this isn't sustainable - you have to address real counter examples - the intuit lived without plants, and without cancer on a all carnivore diet.

It still remains that meat is linked to heart disease and cancer.

As far as I'm aware the studies that have shown this link are observational (i.e. the literature will say "linked", "associated", "correlated"), with significant healthy user bias. None of the papers have compared ketogenic omnivore, vs pure carnivore, vs pure vegan (not keto). But if your aware of a paper that has a stronger link, I'd love to read it - I genuinely mean that, I'll read every word of it!

I fully admit a standard american diet (SAD) - is a recipe for cancer, and heart disease! Any diet that moves away from it is a improvement! So if the studies linking to heart issues in the context of insulin resistance really apply to a insulin sensitive carnivore diet?

Allow me to flip the coin as a illustration - We know high sugar intake, and high carbohydrate intake are incredibly linked with insulin resistance - which is the driver for diabetes, cardio vascular issues. Using the same logic you have used, I could say (since all sugar/carbs comes from plants), with full accuracy and confidence, 'it still remains that plants are linked to heart disease and cancer'. Clearly this is absurd and reductive way to discuss things.

Here is a bonus fun read on the issues with observational data and cherry picking: https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/full-article/meat-and-cancer

 And even if you were convinced that meat is necessary anyway, how is a full meat diet better than a mixed diet?

If we agree that animal based foods are bioavailable and biocomplete, then a mixed diet would be for variety, or food availability. Can a insulin sensitive omnivore diet do as well as carnivore, probably. The markers I care about are all cause mortality, inflammation, gut health, and most importantly ease of compliance.

If someone has a chronic gut issue, like Chron's or IBS... then carnivore is nearly a requirement to a decent quality of life. Most of carnivore food is fully digested before it gets to the intestines, which is why its such a boon for people with gut issues.

meat production will never be ethical, nor sustainable.

I respect your conclusions, and I thank you for sharing them with me.

If you're eating meat today, you're supporting today's meat industry.

Yes, with great enthusiasm, hence my creating this community. Though I do purchase my meat directly from a sustainable farm.

Thanks for asking the questions! I appreciate your willingness to have a discussion!

The purpose of this community is not to change anybodies minds, or campaign, I'm happy people have chosen other diets - and I'm really glad those other paths are working for people!

What evidence do you have that it’s healthy?

The most concise resource I can point you to is : https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/skeptical-doctors They do a excellent, job and cite sources!

Carnivore is a subset of a low carb / ketogenic diet.

If you want to join me in discussing the literature: https://hackertalks.com/post/5678163 https://hackertalks.com/post/5678151 https://hackertalks.com/post/5592913 https://hackertalks.com/post/5596592 (This one requires a few more hoops and is a study about exogenous ketones, but still relevant when making diet choices)

Insulin resistance is the de facto marker of modern health issues; Carnivore by virtue of not spiking insulin, is a insulin sensitive diet, and avoids the metabolic syndrome family of problems (high blood pressure, cardio vascular disease, fatty liver disease, diabetes etc, etc)

Everything I’ve seen points to meat being linked to things like heart disease and cancer.

Heart disease is inextricably linked to metabolic syndrome, and insulin resistance; There are also findings suggestive of cancer linked to metabolic syndrome as well (see above). Carnivore, as a strict ketogenic subset, avoids metabolic syndrome entirely by maintaining insulin sensitivity.

how do you rationalize choosing a diet that maximizes animal suffering

If you choose a non-animal food diet for philosophical reasons, I applaud you, I can't fault you, and I wish you the best success.

Personally, I have a long journey to fix metabolic issues, and the bioavailability of animal based nutrition is significantly higher https://hackertalks.com/post/5606539 and is part of my recovery plan. Getting proper vitamins and minerals is hard on any diet! Depending where you draw the line, this can be achieved with dairy, eggs, and fish as well.

how do you rationalize choosing a diet that maximizes ... environmental harm?

I agree modern farming techniques need to be changed for both sustainability and humanitarian reasons. I've discussed the improvement of modern industrial food production before: https://hackertalks.com/post/5620914/6043326 but it boils down to

• Regenerative farming is a must
• No grain for ruminant animals, use the 15% of the earths surface that is only suitable for range land to feed the ruminants.
• Animals living natural lifestyles and diets are the healthiest, and the best for the food supply
• Removing needless medication and hormones from animal production is a must.

Yeah, I'm subscribed. I like the summaries! It's a good idea.

I'm not sure if its possible, but can you torture your model to try to generate a one sentence summary as well, kinda like - make a factual headline for this article that is short and succinct!

https://www.economist.com/rss - They do enjoy their paywalls, might need to link to one of the ladders as well, like archive.is

Maybe there are hairs to split about blame.

But the review tells you if a game is worth buying, and if it doesn't work - it's not worth buying. Doesn't matter who is responsible. The negative reviews are valid.

If only a multibillion dollar gaming company with 20,000 employees could afford to signing to the MSDN and evaluate prereleases.

Context matters:

Taking a group photo? Stock photo models? PR? Greeter? - yes, asking someone to smile for a goal is fine

Someone just minding their own business - no, asking them to smile is selfish and just for your personal satisfaction. People don't need to justify to you why they don't feel like smiling. It's rude to demand it of others

Okay. I really laughed out loud on that one

You are 100% responsible for where your vehicle is moving, that includes any blindspots. If you have a blindspot you MUST check it before moving into the space. So turn your head!

Sit in your car, physically, in real life. Have a friend take a bunch of traffic cones, or trash cans. Look forward, don't move your head, using your mirrors only. Have your friend walk around your vehicle, putting down a cone when you can't see them, and another cone when you can start to see them again.... If there was any point where you couldn't see your friend, that is a blind spot which you MUST check.

The correct way to vote against bad moderators and community rules is to RUN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY. Make it a better place, moderate it better.

So bad moderators are ALLOWED to persist because nobody has stepped up and made a better place yet.

And if the response to that is 'woah, woah, I don't want to do all that work' then... clearly the moderation isn't that bad