[-] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hey! Just asking you because I'm not sure where else to direct this energy at the moment.

I spent a while trying to understand the argument this paper was making, and for the most part I think I've got it. But there's a kind of obvious, knee-jerk rebuttal to throw at it, seen elsewhere under this post, even:

If producing an AGI is intractable, why does the human meat-brain exist?

Evolution "may be thought of" as a process that samples a distribution of situation-behaviors, though that distribution is entirely abstract. And the decision process for whether the "AI" it produces matches this distribution of successful behaviors is yada yada darwinism. The answer we care about, because this is the inspiration I imagine AI engineers took from evolution in the first place, is whether evolution can (not inevitably, just can) produce an AGI (us) in reasonable time (it did).

The question is, where does this line of thinking fail?

Going by the proof, it should either be:

  • That evolution is an intractable method. 60 million years is a long time, but it still feels quite short for this answer.
  • Something about it doesn't fit within this computational paradigm. That is, I'm stretching the definition.
  • The language "no better than chance" for option 2 is actually more significant than I'm thinking. Evolution is all chance. But is our existence really just extreme luck? I know that it is, but this answer is really unsatisfying.

I'm not sure how to formalize any of this, though.

The thought that we could "encode all of biological evolution into a program of at most size K" did made me laugh.

but there's no reason to think we can't achieve it

They provide a reason.

Just because you create a model and prove something in it, doesn't mean it has any relationship to the real world.

What are we science deniers now?

So, if just stop oil were peeing on people like... you are, I guess, you would be happy with that?

I know it feels really good to be angry and indignant, but I mean it, what have you done? Have you organized anything? Have you inspired people to take action?

You don't have to agree with Just Stop. But the topic of conversation has come up. We're talking about it. What will you do to save humanity from the sheer cliff it's about to drive over?

Okay, but think about the person who would vote for him because he's powerful, won't succumb to that prissy woke-ism, etc.

Like it or not, but people vote on vibes all the time, and thinking he's a cool guy who will drain the swamp (by cutting welfare and social programs) is better for him than being kind of a smelly loser. It undercuts the strongman narrative that Republicans are selling.

Clips of this will spread through media and word of mouth, though. People who did watch it can tell their friends stories about it. That's why it's good that she did well. It builds cultural momentum.

I dunno if Trump can enjoy his skyscraper from prison. With a windowed cell, maybe.

I cannot imagine being this mad about a win over Trump.

I have since bought stock in some road surface producers

1, I don't believe you.

2, cuck shit.

"Oh~ a guy mugged me, now I'm actually pro murder, yep, that's me, I love killing people now, la la la"

I'm sure they'll find their footing eventually, but so far it's been pretty piss poor. Aimless. I think it legit never occurred to them this could happen.

What steaks are you being denied? I don't understand.

Listen, I've been in an asteroid's cave in Outer Wilds and I didn't fucking like it.

What, like she has the cops called on her every week or something? I'd be pretty stressed about that, especially if it meant my next delivery might not tip me.

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