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This could be a case of the Sienfeld is not funny trope
A movie or other work of media is quite revolutionary when it is released, it gets copied so much that many of its features become common in later projects. Then someone goes back to the original and thinks, Why was everyone so impressed with this?
Citizen Cane is another example.
Or:
It could be that you personally don't like the movie. Taste is not universal and not everyone likes everything.
Everyone who's ever said that that spends a significant enough time around me changes their mind. Most of the folks that said it had either only seen it as children or never watched it once reaching a point in life that makes the show so relatable.
Well most of those shows like Seinfeld fall victim to the fact most only laugh at it bc of the laugh tracks. Which for me I don't get bc I could imagine friends or golden girls without it and they'd still be good imo 🤷
Seinfeld was filmed in front of an audience.
True but it is the same effect as a laugh track. The actors have to pause their delivery to let the audience react so that they are not talking over or getting drowned out by the laughter. There are a few scenes where you can see Jerry and the others almost break character while they are waiting for the audience to finish laughing.
You're missing the point. Back then audiences weren't told when to laugh (that became a thing a bit later). But were more like a live barometer of the script's quality. The recordings of Jerry doing a standup on a bar stage were filmed the same day. They would test material, improvise jokes, actions and lines on the spot and look at the audience reaction, not because they expected a laugh, but because they were getting a laugh. They weren't pausing for the editors to insert a laughtrack, they were pausing because the audience was laughing and their lines would be inaudible on the mics. This allowed them to fine tune the show, then during edit make it as hilarious as possible. It was a thing they actually struggled with the sections filmed out of studio, but they showed them to the audience so they got the context for the set comedies. It was a whole art, and the actors were part of the writer's room. An entirely different vibe from this decade's sitcoms. Modern sitcoms are emulating what they were getting organically during filming.
There are plenty of examples of this on youtube, have you watched any?
Friends, without the laugh track...
Example 2
Example 3
To me, any show shot with a laugh track or studio audience feels really strange without it. The pauses make it very stilted.
I loved Seinfeld growing up and can still laugh at today. It's one of those shows you couldn't make today.
You're right, they'd take one look at the script and say "Wait a minute, this is Seinfeld!"
What are you talking about. Curb is still going.