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What is the deal with Palestine and Hamas?
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How nicely you avoided the fact that Israel was in fact attacked. It didn't try to conquer the other countries. On a contrary, other countries aimed to eliminate Israel. Some of them are still trying and you're actively helping them.
The injustices constantly change, along with the victims and perpetrators, depending on how far back in history you look. No party is a clear hero or villain. What Hamas has done is inexcusable, but killing more civilians is not the answer.
According to the IDF they made 15000 strikes on Gaza strip in the last month. Even if you take clearly made up number of victims from Hamas, you'll see the efficiency of those strikes, and how Israel is trying to avoid civilian casualties.
15000 strikes in an area the size of Manhattan is hardly efficient (unless you were being sarcastic, hard to tell)
It's not 15000 nukes. It's 15000 high-precision strikes.
Why do they stay there?
What countries are accepting refugees from Gaza?
This has been going on for decades. There are thriving palistinian communities in California, New York, several other US states and in various countries. It just seems that there are a lot of folks living good lives abroad. My question is, considering that this kind of horrific behavior by Israel was inevitable based on their hideous previous behavior, why haven’t they all left before now?
They’re poor people without the resources necessary for international resettlement. Now you have politicians demonizing Palestinian civilians as all terrorists. Some have even proposed deporting Palestinians BACK to Gaza.
Zionists had resources and western political support, so they took the land instead of settling somewhere they were welcome.
Palestinian civilians have no resources, so their land has been stolen.
There are literally twice as many Palestinians living abroad in Europe and the rest of the world than live in isreal. It’s a tightly knit community even so. People that stay there are making this choice for other reasons than that they can’t travel.
I’m not sure it helps to say this.
But something motivated the two million Palestinians who have left to leave.
Sorry but you make it sound like it’s easy to just get up and leave. If that was the case, all the people I know back in my 3rd world home country would’ve left already. Just because there are communities around the world, it doesn’t mean it’s easy to get there, especially with how strict immigration is nowadays. Not to mention these are people coming from the middle east, in a region where countries are wary of accepting people from.
Emigrating isn’t free. People are reluctant to leave their families, friends, and jobs behind. Foreign governments aren’t exactly rolling out the red carpet for Palestinian immigrants, especially low income families with zero connections in the destination country.
On top of all that, human beings are really good at denial and thinking “it won’t happen to me.”
Would you leave your home if somebody told you ‘fuck off, this is my place now’?
It’s a shit situation all round
Where people could leave any time they wanted, and many Palestinians worked in Israel. Not a very good prison.
Israel doesn't want Gaza. They literally left it in 2005 precisely because they didn't want anything to do with it. But while Hamas exists, there will never be peace. Tbh, there will never be peace there anyway. It's the Middle East. War is the only thing they know.