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E.g. abortion rights, anti-LGBTQ, contempt for atheism, Christian nationalism, etc.

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[-] Alto@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And for plenty of policy points that's not an issue. When we're on the topic of basic human rights, I'm not entirely sure how you* can handwave those abuses away because you want lower taxes.

* generic you

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Many many people believe that healthcare is a basic human right, right up there with LGBT issues.

Putting Medicare for all on the same footing or higher than LGBT issues, because healthcare affects literally everyone.

[-] Alto@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Well yeah, that's because it is. Performing human sacrifices for the profit gods, which is what we are currently doing, is bad.

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ok so if your choice was between a politician who made LGBT issues their priority but were against medicare for all/socialized medicine, and a politician that made medicare for all/socialized medicine their priority but were against LGBT rights, who would you choose?

Both are human rights issues. Which one is more important to you?

[-] Alto@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

When that situation happens I guess we'll find out.

It won't though, and is a fucking laughable attempt at a gotcha

[-] NataliePortland@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago

Are you looking for conversation here or do you just want to be right?

[-] Alto@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

If there's an answer that isn't basically "well they're not on my priority list so they can get fucked", I'd love to hear it. We're not talking about some relatively benign issue like zoning laws or whether or not we should introduce a new sales tax to fund the park system. Sitting by complacently is actively tacitly supporting the policies trying to further these abuses, and it's not some trivial issue that doesn't matter.

[-] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago

The right is pro-2a. The left is not.

The lgbtq should arm themselves, before anything else.

The gop is unintionally better for lgbtq than the dnc.

[-] Alto@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The left is not

Neo-libs may not be, but there are plenty of us who are adamant that the workers shall not be disarmed.

Ignoring that...

The gop is unintionally better for lgbtq than the dnc

Only one is actively imposing legislation that oppresses the lgptq community. If you honestly believe that, I beg you to take an actual hard, honest look at the legislation the GOP has passed in the last 6 years. You'll find that's just simply not true. Lying to others is one thing, but don't lie to yourself.

Are there individuals within the GOP who don't support those things? Perhaps, but they're clearly at least not opposed to them. Unfortunately the "old guard" have decided they'd rather let the complete and utter batshit insane corner of the party drive the platform. It's time to realize that.

[-] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I probably should've said gop and dnc, and adjusted the wording slightly.

I would argue that any right is meaningless without 2a to back it up. Thus, any rights given by the DNC aren't real. They aren't worth the paper it's written on.

[-] Alto@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And while in most scenarios I'd agree, we're not talking hypothetical scenarios anymore. The GOP doesn't care about you or your rights. They made that clear when a group of them attempted a coup, and the whole did absolutely nothing to condemn it. All over losing a single presidential election. Anything promised by a group that tried to throw our entire republic away isn't worth shit either.

That is a far more pressing concern. Far more. Especially when any anti-2a legislation is not going to come close to surviving with this current SCOTUS.

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

You’ve said some stupid shit but “The gop is unintentionally better for lgbtq than the dnc.” takes the cake.

[-] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The DNC is trying to disarm lgbtq. The GOP isn't.

What else is there to say?

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Are you allowed to shoot at cops? No.

Can you shoot politicians who are taking away your HUMAN rights? No.

What planet do you live on where owning your silly handgun or shotgun is going to protect you from the big bad government?

The GOP is actively trying to take human rights away from LGBTQ+ people. In fact, they don’t even believe they are human.

So yes, thinking the gop is good in any way for people who aren’t straight white Christians is 100% the most idiotic take I’ve seen from you yet.

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