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Biden was against busing for school desegregation.
Without that and with the existing racist housing policies, it would have effectively prevented school desegregation.
Strum Thurmmond gave the longest fillibuster, and it was against civil rights.
Biden and Strum were friends, to the point Biden even gave a eulogy at his funeral.
You know that saying about how when you see four guys sitting at a table and one's wearing a nazi uniform?
Biden was super chummy with those old racists, so for him it was more like he was the only one out of uniform. Seriously, don't you remember the last primary? He kept talking about how they're all his friends and get along so well.
He just didn't know they didn't give a fuck about him after Obama. They only liked him because sometimes he pulled a Manchin.
I cant imagine being judged for somethi g i did 50 years ago, as the basis for the person I am today.
I really am not a fan of Biden, but come on, bringing up shit that happened half a century ago is really manipulative. It's as if you're saying that your actions as a 30 year old are representative of the person you are at 85, which simply isn't true.
He gave the eulogy in 2003.
So 20 years ago.
What did he say in the eulogy that you didn't like?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4678933/user-clip-biden-eulogy-strom-thurmond
It's the act not the words.
Don't give eulogies for white supremacists, they do not deserve respect.
He had a platform here to speak about racism and people growing and changing positively over time, why would he not speak to this? Have you even listened to it, or are you just riffing off vague conceptualizations?
Strom Thurmond's views definitely softened over time, and I have no doubt people like Joe Biden contributed to that. What are you doing to change hearts and minds?
>It’s as if you’re saying that your actions as a 30 year old are representative of the person you are at 85, which simply isn’t true.
i'm all about second chances, but maybe we play it safe about letting racists have power
We don't have a choice about that; every viable candidate is a racist.
Racism is not an immutable concept. People are not either “racists” or “not racists”. Racism is a behaviour that people engage in.
Calling people ‘a racist’ implies that that’s all they’ve ever been and that’s all they’ll ever be. It leaves no room for improvement. Don’t call people ‘a racist’, call their behaviour racist.
People can grow and change. I’ve met a good handful of people who were raised in households that engender conservatism, racism and sexism who have been able to deprogram that bullshit and become well-rounded human beings who care about social justice. When they were young, you’d have incorrectly called them ‘a racist’ and may have driven them further down the conservative rabbit hole.
The way we speak to and about one another needs to get better. We need to identify that people are flexible and have capacity for change if we ever want to see that change. People cannot be bullied away from these positions, they need to be guided.
Well, the eulogy was 2003...
And the 2020 primary he wouldn't shut up about how great friends he is with Republican senators.
It only changed when they gave him the cold shoulder.
I mean, really, do you think Thurmond was better?
As bad as shit is now, it was much worse for minorities back in the 50s/60s. And while Biden didn't get to the Senate till the 70s, he made quick friends with the older Republicans that had been in power then.
You can't play the "people change" card decades before they changed.
I am friends with a bunch of people that I don't share views with. I have some friends that support trump, does that suddenly mean I support trump? Absolutely no, it doesn't. I'm just saying, his actions now are what we should judge him on.
As for becoming friends with people in congress, that's called politics dude. You become friends with the people around you to further your own career. That goes for any career... Am I talking to teenagers here? Sheesh.
In this analogy you'd be friends with trump tho...
Like, do you have any idea what know kind of person Thurmmond was?
What do you know about what Joe Biden actually thought about Strom Thurmond?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4678933/user-clip-biden-eulogy-strom-thurmond
Nobody is friends with Trump, I'm pretty sure even his own kids pretend to tolerate him.
Better than people who are racist and fascist traitors? Yes, obviously.
Your question is like asking if negative eleventy-billion is a bigger number than negative infinity.
Jesus...
People are really out there running around America thinking Strum Thurmond wouldn't have overthrown the government if he thought he had half a chance?
You wouldn't be interested in buy a bridge in Brooklyn would you?
can you get that footage of him bragging about delaware being a slave state?