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For those not paying attention:
In 2020 Biden lost Florida by the largest margin in 20 years, despite polling 3 point ahead before the election.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida
Right now trump is up 7 point...
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/florida/
Florida is not where Biden needs to focus, it's all those states where just 30k votes got him the election.
Like, if we're really stuck with Biden, can his campaign at least act rationally this time?
The results in FL we’re likely fraudulent; but never investigated.
Well if they were fraudulent and nothings changed about who runs the state and the elections then it's even dumber to allocate resources there, since there's nothing in place to prevent another fraud.
If trump underperforms as much as Biden did, he'd still win by more than he did in 2020...
But assuming Florida was fraudulent in 2020, and nothing was done...
What's changed?
Note:
You got a source for republicans committing large scale fraud in Florida? All I'm seeing is a small amount of idiots that voted twice and obviously got caught...
Which isn't enough to make up for the ~370,000 votes Biden lost by.
A lot actually. 2020 and 2024 are not the same political climate. For starters, the 2020 election was pre-insurrection. Since then, Jacksonville voters elected a democrat as their mayor. Abortion and recreational marijuana are going to be on the ballot as a result of citizens organizing; not their elected officials representing them.
Some people in FL are starting to wake up. It wasn’t so long ago that FL voted blue in the Presidential elections.
Either way, Biden didn’t need FL to win in 2020; as he displayed in the previous election. This would explain why no money was spent on any large scale investigation into the fraud. The outcome would have remained the same.
I’m not going to link every unrelated article that comes back after a search for “2020 FL voter fraud.” There’s a ton of projection coming from Tallahassee though.
You say that, But it's went from +3 Biden, to +7 trump in those 4 years...
And Jacksonville mayor?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Jacksonville_mayoral_election#Results
Dems did win the runoff by about 9k votes, but...
A city going barely blue in no way makes up for statewide polling.
Biden needs to be shoring up support in the States he barely won that got him into the White House last time, not taking them for granted and attacking Florida in 2024.
Gotta be careful with polling results. By necessity they're weighted to match the most recent turn out demographics. Which is usually just a bit of an error range. With issues like abortion and weed, the younger vote changes a lot more than the polling algorithm. So the error bars are huge, and adjustments to add accuracy are most likely to just wrong. It's one of the two major reasons for upsets at the ballot box. The other being the Bradley effect, which could also be very much in play the other direction.
Consider that the 7% lead Trump has right now is the average from two polls with less than a 4% error, that were 5% apart from each other. So at least one of them is just blatantly wrong, and really the odds are it's both.
You got some proof to back up that claim?
Proof that widescale fraud wasn't investigated in FL? That's like asking me for proof that my package didn't arrive at my doorstep.
Ancient President Genobiden wants to prove that he's still cool to the young hip 70 year olds in Florida.