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Goonies, but it was recorded from TV and you had to switch tapes at about the pirate ship.
My family was pretty poor growing up, but we had cable. Back in the day there would occasionally be free weekends of Disney Channel, HBO and the like. Whenever there was one of those free weekends, my parents would buy a super long blank VHS tape and record hours of random movies. So for years every movie that I watched had an 800 number that would pop up every few minutes asking you to call and subscribe.
The more things change, the more they stay the same i guess. Sounds like just anout every streaming service out there today.
My dad would rent movies from blockbuster then set up the camcorder on a tripod to film the movie off the TV. It was always a big to-do since we all had to be quiet so we didn't ruin the recording...
I'm going to assume you're joking so I don't go outside and scream into the middle distance.
The motivation combined with the complete lack of understanding of the tech is certainly interesting.
Jus make sure to close the blinds on the way out. Otherwise, there will be a glare on the screen.
That’s what you get for recording in SP.
What's SP in this context?
Tape speed / recording quality. Frames on VHS are diagonal stripes from one edge to the other. At lower tape speeds, those stripes get shorter and closer together. The horizontal resolution is unavoidably reduced. Color information gets muddy, because that's some deep magic in a black-and-white signal. Adjacent frames can bleed into one another. Worst of all, you're more likely to get tracking problems, where the ridiculous wheels-in-wheels of the diagonal / helical read mechanism get misaligned with the stripes, and the whole picture can drop out.
You wrote a really long and interesting response that completely failed to answer the question. What's SP in this context?
... the tape speed.
EDIT: You did it again
Phrased directly: What does SP stand for?
Standard Play, I think. Versus Long Play and Extended Play.
No idea why EP is sometimes called SLP. Wikipedia's right there if you're curious.
Wait wouldn’t stripes get longer the lower the tape speed?
Nope. The tape travels a shorter distance in each 60th of a second, so there's a steeper diagonal between the start and end of each frame. The whole magnetic pattern gets scrunched.
I don’t understand what you’re saying.
Why would the stripes be longer, if the tape travels less distance, in the time it takes to make one stripe?
I think I don't understand the stripes thing. so it's a diagonal stripe. are the edges of the tape the sides of the screen or the top and bottom of the screen? what do you mean by steeper? is there a a gap between frames? how is the gap created? why would putting less information onto the tape (standard play vs long play) cause less readable data and lower quality? usually packing more into a given space makes quality worse.
Getting a millennial to explain CRTs is the free space in our bingo card.
Okay, so: tube televisions are a glass bulb containing vacuum. There's an electron beam at the back, and electromagnets steer that beam in straight lines left to right, from the top of the screen to the bottom, every single frame. But in-between each straight line there's a brief "blanking interval" where the beam has to move to the next line. The video signal itself goes dark during these periods. There's a longer "vertical blank" when the beam moves from the bottom-right corner back to the upper-left.
VHS encodes one sequence of lines, one frame, from the top edge of the tape to the bottom edge of the tape. The tape is pulled around a drum, and inside the drum, there's a read-write head spinning perpendicular. If the tape stopped then it'd overwrite the same vertical stripe across the tape, top to bottom, over and over. But because the tape is moving around the drum, it writes each stripe diagonally, slightly separated from the previous stripe.
It's okay to lose some signal between the bottom of one stripe and the top of the next, because there's not supposed to be any signal. That's the vertical blank.
Magnetic media has limited "response." You can only cram so much signal onto it before everything smears together, and you lose information. When VHS moves the tape more slowly, each stripe is closer to vertical, and also closer to its adjacent stripes.
Limited response is the reason for all of this. Industrial video recording just records linearly - like audio cassettes. But to do that, the tape has to move much faster, to avoid losing information. Studio-quality tapes come on enormous reels. VHS is compact, and moves at a more manageable speed, because the head moves quickly, even though the tape does not.
I am a millennial. An older one at that. And I did already know how CRTs worked, but thank you. My question was how running slower, which usually means encoding information more stabily (think of any HDD and how it took a long time to get to the point where we could even run the disks at higher speeds), would mean the information is worse. I’m still not sure my question was answered. I’m guessing it has to do with the size of the write head, and maybe you are trying to say that the write head only has one speed, which would explain the problem a bit more. Therefore the slow tape speed wouldn’t result in any finer detail because the write head can’t write any finer grained, it has nothing to do with the speed of the tape.
Running slower means you have less space.
Dude, think of it like a photograph. If you had a lens that could squeeze a square frame into a narrower rectangle, you could advance the film any distance between frames, and scrunch the image to take up that much space. But the slower the film moves - the less distance there is between frames - and the scrunchier each image gets. There's an upper limit to how much detail any given area can capture. The film grain quickly becomes visible. When the image gets blown back up to its regular shape, some of the information has been lost, because the medium has finite detail.
A slow hard drive takes longer to access information. Video tape doesn't work that way. It displays in real time. When it moves at one inch per second, every frame gets 1/60th of an inch.
And at some point, it doesn't matter how much detail the head tries to write - the tape itself has limits. There are physical bits of metal, suspended in goo, stuck to clear plastic. The engineers of the format chose the lowest tape speed that could hold enough information for a picture with acceptable quality. If they could have stored the same information by running slower - they would have. And it would save the manufacturer a shitload of money, since they'd need less physical tape inside each cassette.
I think we used a different term for it, so maybe that's a regional abbreviation. But I'm thinking they were talking about the recording quality/speed. I remember there being two options, one gave you twice as many hours but the quality was lower.
From memory, SP was standard play, LP was long play, and SLP was super long play.
You could get 6 hours on a tape with SLP, but only 2 hours on SP.
Standard vs Long play.
This is the movie I thought of also. My copy was also from TV, but I did have it all on one tape with the exception that we were missing the first three or four minutes of the movie. Even today when I catch the beginning of the movie, I smile a little thinking of all the times I didn't get to watch that.
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