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There's no freedom in having to do something but you're also not free to choose your wants.

Maybe it's better to just live and let life happen instead of thinking about what could've been. What ever happened is the only thing that could've happened.

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[-] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

I was just thinking that there is a third option. You certainly can do things you don’t need to or even d want to.

An extreme example would be all the various kinds of mental issues. Even phobias count. You don’t need to be afraid of balloons, nor do you want to. However, someone suffering from such a phobia just can’t help themselves.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Either you have to or you want to.

Having a phobia is not something people chose to have, so no freedom there. If a person is afraid of spiders they then want to avoid them at all costs. That aligns with the statement in the title.

[-] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Depends on the way you define “have to”. If we take the loosest possible definition, as long as literally anything makes you do it, you have to do it. Could be another human, laws of physics or even your own brain doing stuff you don’t want it to do. In that case, I agree with you. However, people usually aren’t that loosey-goosey with their definitions.

Oh, just realized, this definition also encompasses the case where you want to do stuff. It’s all in the same category at this point. People do stuff because they have to.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee -1 points 3 months ago

Well I don't believe in free will so in my view what ever you do is because you couldn't have done otherwise. In that sense you "have to" do everything that you do because doing something else would mean breaking free from the laws of physics and deterministic universe.

Whay ever makes someone do the thing in the first place is what would make them do it again, and again, and again no matter how many times they rewind the clock and try again. You'd need to be able to change the order of the universe to break free from the causal chain.

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