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I like this for some reason. Maybe even more if she slipped and said "fuckin' shot" maybe because it's Oprah.
Weird that the whole "I probably shouldn't say that" is a very Trump like thing to say, but those types of comments have a lot of power with people so more power to her.
It was an authentic moment and people love that. I watched it live and was like dayum.
I've done a shit ton of research and writing on the topic of firearm regulation. I grew up with them as well. I am absolutely for very strict firearm regulation... However: I think it's time democrats pivot on this to root causes: education, Healthcare, and societal stressors. The electorate just isn't there yet, and it will probably take another 2 decades at least before the boomers die off and any movement can be made.
I'm not even sure if the electorate is in a place to address issues in education and healthcare, haha. But unfortunately I agree; I think Dems are right because it's clear other nations don't have this problem (even with their same unhappy societies) but making only incremental gains with gun control shows that it can't be done right now.
But I wouldn't necessarily go with root causes as first priority. If they could fix election issues like gerrymandering and the electrical college, urban centers would have a fair say and might push harder on gun regulation when voices are heard on equal level. If I had a majority, that's what I'd hit first to make the rest easier.
Wholly agree! Campaign Finance / Election Reform is my #1 issue and I've been advocating for this to be the single issue vote we all get behind. It truly is the root of nearly every other issue and complaint we have.
Unfortunately that doesn’t serve the democrats as a whole, so it isn’t prioritized by the party favorites.
(Note: I am NOT both-sidesing here. I always have and will again vote D this election because they are the most sane option that actually has some human interests at heart. I just accept that they are not all altruistic and are also motivated to keep status quo in some ways that don’t align to my personal preferences for my elected officials. They are still the right choice.)
Apparently we will have to wait for a few additional generations to die off as ones like yours keep saying infinitely wise things like "why ban guns, just solve all mental problems nation wide".
The entire world knows this fact: the root cause of Americas gun problems is the sheer amount of them and how easy it is for ANYONE to obtain one.
But you know what, I'm open to be proven wrong. Why don't you show me which nation has shown its possible to resolve mental health issues across their whole population. How about studies that show most shooters are mentally I'll? Or recently fired? Or poor?
Kinda interesting how even the poorest people in America have guns huh?
Look I don't disagree necessarily. I work in a hospital and my wife is the first response to tragedies like this as well. In the hospital we must simultaneously treat both root cause and symptoms. Firearms are a symptom of a deeper problem that, like shock or hemorrhagic bleeding, exacerbate whatever the original problem is. That being said, if we can reduce the number of people who slip through the cracks of society we can improve our outcomes just the same.
No doubt on the surface, cutting supply and taking firearms off the streets is likely the simpler route at addressing the symptom; that is, the average lethal effectiveness of a deranged person when they do slip through the cracks. But I'm trying to be pragmatic and avoid putting the cart before the horse because unfortunately there really is limited support for this and no budging in polling; and ultimately, Democrats tying themselves to this jeopordizes key parts of the electorate in order to win elections int he first place. So ultimately, I'd rather table this issue and soften the perception from centrists and conservatives in order to stop fascism. Then, we can utilize this as a launching point to address root causes: "Okay, you want to keep your 2nd Amendment... I get that. So let's compromise, let you keep that, and we work on universal healthcare, guaranteed therapy, reduction in work week hours, K-College publicly-funded education, etc."
Until the position of where the electorate is at moves, then we are simply stuck on this. If Sandy Hook and Uvalde didn't do it, then nothing will for some time. So conversely, let me know when there is legitimate shift in the electorate and perhaps then we can tackle this. Though I suspect that only comes with the passing of boomers. (and yes, we keep saying this. Unless you're 100-years-old, we're the same people still waiting for the same generation to die off...)
So you say that people like me make it harder to get democrats elected right? Tell me which is supposed to lead which, the party lead the people or the people lead the party?
There is no consensus opinion, which is why its avoided as its a lose-lose topic. Its a hardball as they say.
I would argue people like you, holding the compromising position you have, are what prevents the democratic party from taking this issue seriously. Politicians avoid ambiguous positions almost to a fault, so you adding to that is hurting the situation.
That depends... Are you still voting Democrat? Because there are people who if Harris came out strong on guns WOULDN'T and that might not put us over the edge. After all, you probably agree with let's say 70, 80, 90% of Democratic policy, but only 5, 10, 15% of Republican policy right? Strategic voting is necessary in our fucked up system.
Unfortunately you do not represent the broader electorate; for there is a large swath of conservative people who still love their guns, and at best it becomes zero sum. Ultimately, the more she leans into you, the more she distances herself from millions of Americans who like their guns.
So the key is to maintain an activist mindset and influence change in public opinion; only then will you see a change in candidate policy. But shooting yourself in the foot when the broader electorate isn't there only to have the party you agree with 5% of the time win...? That's just patently short-sighted because they'll take us several steps backwards.
So tell me when you have a magical plan to convince the majority of Americans who still believe in the 2nd Amendment to abandon it. And let me tell you: Sabotaging Democrats isn't a fucking plan. That's shooting yourself in the foot.