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[-] Fern@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago

There's a lot you're saying that I agree with, but it's undeniable that sending weapons to Isreal is not solving this problem it's directly causing the problem. Biden is incredibly ineffective at solving this and is not holding any sort of red line for real. He needs to hold Isreal accountable for their actions. We have sent billions and billions of dollars of weapons to Isreal, and we likely aren't stopping anytime soon even if Kamala is elected. We need to hold their feet to the fire and show them this is unacceptable.

It doesn't matter. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict isn't even in the top 10 major threats to our country.

You can be unhappy about it, but this election is literally deciding whether the US will be a fascist, theocracic dictatorship.

[-] egrets@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

I agree with your stance, but it's a hell of a hard pill to swallow when both action and inaction directly support the continued financing of a genocide.

Vote for the lesser evil now, but make up for it by holding them to account to the fullest of your ability once they're in.

No politician is going to please everyone. All we can do is keep choosing the less bad option until there's finally a good option.

Ranked choice voting would be nice, but for that to ever be an option we need the left to overpower the right.

[-] egrets@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

All we can do is keep choosing the less bad option

That's absolutely not the case. For the Democrats to pull back towards the left, their viability as a choice for left-leaning voters needs to be threatened. It's too late for this election, so vote Dem, but in the medium term it means taking action to support a better third party that actually champions progressive and egalitarian governance and peaceful foreign policy, and also challenging the Democrats with protests and campaigns.

Waiting did not get women the vote. Waiting did not achieve the victories of the Civil Rights movement. Waiting will not stop US proxy genocide in the Middle East.

Not enough people will ever vote 3rd party to threaten the democrats. It's a nice thought, but the amount of people who actually care enough to make the switch is still going to be extremely low even with massive campaigning.

Also, times are different; the government and population is vastly different than it was in the 20th century. And the threat of a 3rd party wasn't what made the change anyways.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

it’s a hell of a hard pill to swallow

Welcome to being a functioning adult. Life sucks, and it sucks worse when you throw temper tantrums instead of pursuing harm reduction when you can.

[-] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 1 points 3 hours ago

but also fuck you for talking to people like that for caring about human lives.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

That's fair. I have very little patience for people who need to be handheld through making sane, rational decisions. That's a me problem. It would be more effective if I were more empathetic.

[-] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 0 points 1 hour ago
[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

"Donkey" was right there

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -2 points 2 hours ago

There are extremists on both sides that would ve killing civilians with sticks and stones if they had no other means. Parties like Iran are sending one sided weapons to help them win. The US sending weapons to the other is not the only factor 'causing' this problem.

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You can't both sides a genocide, especially when one side clearly started it by settling the other one's territory, taking their land, and displacing hundreds of thousands of people, without their input. Hamas only popped up decades into Israel taking more and more territory, after many Palestine tried many other ways to fight back but failed.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

clearly started it by settling the other one's territory

That's a very simplistic take on the history

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