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[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The vast majority of Jews have always been willing to share the land with the Palestinian people

If that were the case then they wouldn't have forcibly removed the Palestinians from their own lands stripped them of their homes and livelihoods.

Really? That’s your counterargument, a Wiki reference to the Nakba? You really know nothing about the history, do you?

You're welcome to explain to me why I'm wrong.

Blame Hamas. There was a time before Hamas took over Gaza that Israelis and Palestinians freely moved across the border. That changed when Hamas started turning Gaza into a terrorist base.

And what led to the conditions of Hamas being formed? The Israeli government literally supported and propped up Hamas to de-legitimize the Palestinian population in the eyes of the international community.

Listen, you clearly know nothing about Israel and Zionism. You’re just blinded by hate and whatever crap you see on TikTok or you learn about from your keffiyeh-wearing college buddies.

I don't use Tiktok and my viewpoints are based on events that I see happening when I open news articles of the butchering of civilians day after day after day. I don't hate Israel because it's a Jewish state. I hate it because it's existence comes at the expense of others and they don't seem to even want to stop.

[-] DarthJon@lemmy.world 1 points 19 minutes ago

If that were the case then they wouldn’t have forcibly removed the Palestinians from their own lands stripped them of their homes and livelihoods.>

Are you referring to 1948, during the war started by the Arab League to destroy Israel? If the Arabs had accepted partition in 1937 or 1947, there wouldn't have been a war. There would be a Jewish and a Palestinian state coexisting to this day. Zionism is nothing more than the belief in Jewish self-determination in our ancestral homeland. That's it. It does not preclude anyone else's existence or self-determination. That's what defines Palestinian nationalism, not Zionism.

You’re welcome to explain to me why I’m wrong.>

As I said above, Israel didn't start the war that led to the Nakba. The Arab League of Nations did. They lost that war. Twenty years later Egypt declared war again and Israel launched a pre-emptive strike to end it quickly. Six years later Arab countries attacked again, this time on the holiest day in Judaism. Israel won that war too. And now we have the war of 2023-2024, whatever it will be called, which was once again started by Hamas's barbaric invasion and Hezbollah's sympathy attacks from the north. There is a clear pattern in this history, and I didn't even include the Arab violence against Jews that pre-dated 1947.

I hate it because it’s existence comes at the expense of others and they don’t seem to even want to stop.>

Except it doesn't. See my first response above. The Arabs/Palestinians have had many opportunities to pursue peaceful coexistence and have chosen violence every time. That is simply because they refuse to accept the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East. There was no Palestinian nationalist movement until Israel was created. It is literally defined by its opposition to Israel's existence.

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