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How a 12-Ounce Layer of Foam Changed the NFL
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People enjoyed playing and watching jousting. We stopped doing it because it's dangerous and stupid.
Also, drinking copious amounts of alcohol isn't just on you if you have a family.
No, we actually didn't stop doing it. You probably haven't heard of it because fewer people no enjoy watching it.
I watched numerous jousting matches in my life.
What we did stop was pretending it's real combat. Today's jousting matches are more like pro wrestling, where the bruises are real, but the outcome is scripted.
I mean that's cool about jousting, but I think you're missing the point. Which I don't believe was about jousting specifically.
Maybe they should have referred to how we used to watch lions eat humans for sport in the colosseum. Popular shit from what I understand. Should we keep doing that because people liked it?
Public executions are another one...
You've watched numerous safe modern versions of "jousting" put on by SCA groups. That is not jousting.
But hey, you want scripted football, be my guest. People won't get so badly hurt.
I want no football at all, thank you.
It's the most boring sport possible, and designed to maximize the opportunity for commercial breaks.
I will completely agree about the commercial breaks. Professional American sports are nothing but commercial cash grabs as it is, college is headed the same way.
Dangerous sports may be the issue in the near future, commercials & betting may prove more damaging to sports than injury ever will.
Ok, well my point to the person I replied to is that we stopped doing dangerous and stupid sports.
"Jousting" that's scripted is not what I was talking about. I was talking about the real thing. Especially the kind involving quintains, because, again, it was dangerous and stupid.
People stopped jousting because heads were severed & blood was spilt. I quite enjoy watching the jousting at ren fairs.
Drinking copious amounts of alcohol is not something I invite my family to participate in.
Unless they want to joust. Then I might be swayed.
Heads weren't severed in jousting, what are you talking about? How would that even work? The jousting you're watching in ren fairs is scripted. Also, blood is spilled on football fields all the time.
Also...
I seriously hope you don't have any kids.
I have 40 children, they’re all drunk now because of you. Just out of spite.
What are you on about? You think those jousters knocked the other jousters off their horses & just started mocking their opponents?
“Hahaha look at the no horse dummy! You lose & I will now abscond with your princess! Hooray I am a jouster!!”
No. They got off their horses & aimed to behead, or otherwise cease the existence of, their opponent.
Yes. Ren Fairs are scripted. So is Wrastlin’ & they spill blood while wrastlin’ too.
What is your point here? You’re above it, so the rest of us are lesser for enjoying it.
People enjoy sport & specifically football. What’s the real problem here? That someone’s subjective opinion differs from yours?
I can only speak for myself, but my main problem is the culture and how these people become football players. They start from a very young age, and if I had kids, the thought of letting them destroy their developing mind like that for a sport would be completely out of the question.
Instead, in some areas of the country, we have families that are pressuring their very young children to enter a sport that will affect their developing brain in profoundly negative ways.
This isn't only encouraged, it's highly rewarded. College football coaches at big state schools, are often the highest paid public employee in their respective state.
Once again, this is not society’s responsibility, it’s on the parents.
Don’t want your child to become a roided up rage monster with CTE? Don’t raise them up to believe that sports is their only way forward.
Sports are a path for SOME individuals & those individuals have the CHOICE to decide what is right for them & what isn’t.
Yes family pressure exists, but so does individual choice & the two conflict every day. Hell, I’ve got boobs & a vag despite my parents protestations & I’m better off for it.
For many of those individuals they only see sports as their path forward. Want them to find a better path? Show it to them…
But don’t judge them when they strike out down a path you don’t approve of, if you aren’t willing to provide a better solution.
Sitting here saying football shouldn’t exist because people get hurt is just lazy hand wringing & judgemental nonsense.
That's absolutely not how the sport of jousting worked. You're just making things up. It wasn't gladiatorial combat. And even that resulted in death less often than is usually portrayed.
Well alright expert now I’m shitfaced & ready to learn. Do, please educate us all on aspects of jousting that did not lead to mortal combat.
By your logic, Football isn’t about hurting people any more than jousting is.
Sports are sports. They aren’t going away just because you think you’re better than their fandoms.
I mean, we literally have medieval rules of jousting.
https://www.medievalists.net/2015/01/medieval-rules-jousting/
Notice no mention of mortal combat being involved in determining a winner. Or being involved at all.
Maybe look these things up before you get shiftaced.
And here’s the 2024 NFL Rule book. Not a single mention of injuring, hurting, dismembering, beheading, concussions, bruises, broken bones, scabs, cuts, or scrapes. Whatdyaknow?
It’s almost like the rules were written to make the sport safer, much like I’m sure there were for jousting.
Maybe should get shitfaced. Could help you climb down off that high horse.
What are you even talking about now? This was about your claim that beheading was part of jousting. It wasn't. That's just a lie. I've shown that quite clearly.
But feel free to prove it. You can't because it's a lie.
I compared the violence & bloodiness of jousting to the violence of football. You claim a they are comparable, I claim they are not.
Maybe I watch too many movies when it comes to jousting, but you’ve done nothing but talk down to football fans because you don’t like the sport.
So which sports do you approve of? Or are all them too demeaning & childish for your tastes?
Jousting, Gladiatorial sport, wrestling, martial arts… see the connection?
People like violence. Just because you don’t doesn’t make them wrong.
This is what you said:
It was a lie.
This is also what you said:
Which I did and you didn't even acknowledge.
And now you're just trying to ignore the fact that you outright lied.
You throw that word “Lie” around with an unfounded authority. Me telling everyone here you’re actually Herschel Walker trying explain why you’re running for office again is a lie.
Me saying that jousting led to beheadings is not a lie. Maybe an overstatement, but not a lie. And furthermore, if you’re such a big fan of jousting, go dig up Henry VIII & lets run some comparisons of his mental state to that of a retired football player.
Once again, I’ll point out that my comment was intended to combat your stance that football was more violent than jousting.
If you’d like to uphold that stance, feel free.
Ok, ok, ok, fine. I’ll admit it. You’ve win this argument. No more football, baseball, basketball, or soccer. Sharpen the hockey sticks, get out the mace, & gas up the fuckin horses.
It’s all medieval sport from here on out America!
That's not what you said.
This is what you said:
Which they didn't.
Then you said:
Which, again, I did. I showed you all the ways to win a joust, none of which involved mortal combat. You won't even acknowledge that you were simply wrong. Some nonsense about digging up Henry VIII won't make you any less wrong that jousting was not about mortal combat.
I mean it would be pretty fucking stupid to kill your own knights, or did that not occur to you?
Now you're lying about what I'm talking about. Do you just lie all the time?
What’s with you calling everyone liars? I’m not lying, maybe misinformed on jousting, but you calling me a liar is lying.
I fact, didn’t you report me a whole bunch of times for calling you Richard?
Maybe you should check you civility & stop with the name calling, Richard.
You don’t like football. Am I lying?
You think football is bad dangerous. Am I lying?
You argued football was more dangerous than jousting. Am I lying?
You judge people you disagree with, bait them into arguments in the comment threads, & report them when they react negatively.
AM I STILL LYING?
Nope. I am 100% not lying about any of those statements.
But you’ll refute them nonetheless, because you’re a liar.
I'm curious if you have sobered up and realized how much you embarrassed yourself last night.
I'm guessing you have and you haven't.
Not embarrassed in the least. I’m not the one calling for dissolution of an industry I disapprove of.
Have you gotten off your high horse & stopped passing judgement on strangers who disagree with you?
Tequila & toothpaste time!!! Happy Monday.
Cool. Neither am I.
I just suggested maybe it wasn't a good idea anymore and pointed to similar bad idea sports we stopped doing because they're dangerous and stupid.
Maybe you didn't notice that what with your telling an absolute whopper about jousting, doubling down on it, and then getting angry when you were shown that you were 100% in the wrong.
And you're still 100% in the wrong, by the way.
Also, if you were serious about drinking tequila first thing in the morning, you have a serious addiction problem and I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
Never got angry about any of this, you sure do like reading other people’s intentions incorrectly.
And yes, you joined a thread talking about the efficacy of additional protection of football players & suggested that rather than embracing that protection as a step in the right direction, the sport just should just cease to exist.
Ergo… You’re calling for dissolution of multi billion dollar industry because you don’t like it.
And and… I’m not wrong about jousting. Jousting was blood sport plain & simple. No one ever tried to make jousting a safer sport. Not for the humans & not for the horses.
Now, let’s just get this next part over with quickly…
Please go ahead and call me a liar again so you can embrace smug sense of superiority & go on about your day.
I'm very sorry, I had no idea I was talking to someone with a substance abuse problem so badly that it would impair their basic judgment.
Again, I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
Look at you! Passing judgement on a stranger again!!
I don’t have a substance abuse problem. You have a stick up your patoot & crave the approval of this comments section.
Just acknowledge your opinion isn’t gospel. Just acknowledge you don’t have all the info on jousting you think you have. Just acknowledge you don’t like football & don’t think other should either.
It’s going to be a lonely mountain to stand on top of if you keep calling everyone who disagrees with you a drunken liar.
”Jousting was dangerous and could result in serious injuries, including broken bones, internal injuries, and even death. Injuries could include bruising, skewering, and decapitation”
[“Despite all these safeguards it could still be lethal, as Henry found out. "Twice, in 1524 and 1536, his love of jousting brought him within inches of death - even for kings it was a dangerous sport", remarks Thom Richardson in his book”
Henri II of France died in 1559 when a splinter of lance pierced his eye-slit and Charles IX was seriously injured in 1561, which largely contributed to the decline in jousting in France, according to Zeev Gourarier in his article "From the game of ‘catching the brass ring’ to the roundabout" (Livrustkammaren, Journal of the Royal Armoury, 1991-2).](https://www.livescience.com/jousting)
It's even given you a memory problem.
Again, I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
Memory problems… you called me a liar for claiming jousting led to decapitations. I just proved myself correctly.
Seems like you’re the one sundowing here Goldie. Should we settle you down in front of Wheel of Fortune so you can vibe with your favorite bigot, Pat Sayjack?
Or maybe you prefer the feud & the hypocrite Steve Harvey.
You are the liar. Liar Liar Pants on Fire….
You're apparently already drunk.
Yet again, I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
No, I’m onto my peyote now.
I really hope you get a sliver of pine wood to eye, from a Douglas fir lance, after a horse rolls up on your shattered pelvis, as you lie there wishing you had half the medical resources available to a football player.
Then maybe. Just maybe. You’ll acknowledge you aren’t the end all of be all of this conversation.
“Talkin’ tough’s easy when it’s other people’s evil & you’re judging what they do & don’t believe”
I really hope you start seeing other opinions as valid & that you can stop assuming everyone’s a drunken liar.
You are the only one who can help me, please don’t go. Please don’t leave my all alone with my multitudes of football fans.
I promise I’ll read your bible & subscribe to your newsletter. I’ll even badger all my friends on Facebook to purchase your magic elixir.
Just please don’t leave me, I’m so drunk and alone without you.
OH SUQIDZY WHERE HAVE YOU GONE!!!!!’
> Yet again, I sincerely hope you get the help you need.