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An election in four years … I like your optimism and I hope you are right.
If it makes you feel any better, you'll likely live long for the DNC to say the same thing against the next 5 Republicans, and maybe even a Dem candidate will get a death bed endorsement from Trump while Eric Trump goes on a rally your with the Dem candidate talking about how much the Republicans have lost their way since 2016...
Like, after Biden stepped down I told myself I'd vote D matter who like I always have. Because Biden had no shot in hell, and the DNC actually listened and I wanted to communicate that's all we've been begging for.
But I remember GW, I remember Dick Cheney was the real problem and Lil Bush was just a distraction.
But Kamala still trotted Liz Cheney around, acted like her dad isn't the biggest US war criminal in modern history, and tried to act like Trump was solitarily the one responsible. I still voted for her. But it ended up being harder than voting Hillary.
trump can drop dead as I'm typing this and not a damn thing will change.
I've lived through this series of events before. The vast majority of Americans have.
It's going to suck and we're going to lose ground, but there isn't a cat wrangler alive that can get republicans to agree and work with themselves.
They'll lose the House/Senate in two years. Maybe one, maybe both. But they won't get anything accomplished and they do t have anyone else to blame to motivate their voters in midterms.
They're going to have to eat that they got trump, the House, and Senate, and sure as shit aren't going to fix what they told voters they'd fix.
Stop saying the fight is over because neo liberals didn't get everything they wanted.
Start working on fighting our own party next primary so we have a chance of getting what America needs. If another neoliberal gets into the general, hold your nose and hope enough other people do too to mitigate damage.
Regardless of anything that happens, giving up is never going to work.
Fight every fight like it's the last, and no matter what happens treat the next one the same. This is what fighting fascism actually looks like, not voting once every four years.
Liz Cheney has absolutely nothing to do with Harris losing. According to the polls and everyone I know that voted and even those that didn’t vote.
the people that voted for Harris aren't relevant to the major reasons why Harris lost.
I’m not referring to the people that voted for Harris
Is this you because I think I'm missing your point?
I know people that didn’t vote for Harris and people that didn’t vote. According to them Cheney played no part in their decision.
No, but being the type of Democrat that would go on tour with Cheney is exactly the reason she lost.
User name checks out. Thanks for giving a fuck and not posting the same endless whining and bad takes I've seen so much of.
I am a perpetual optimist....
And when looking back at the last 8 years, at least 2016-2020 when the president was fucking up, everyone I'd run into tended to agree.
Bidens term though when I was upset about anything, I'd either get gaslight that it's not a problem or the only people agreeing with me never looked past the letter next to Biden's name when deciding if they should complain about what he was doing.
So I'm still gonna be complaining about the same shit, I'll still verbalize what I think will work...
But in the next four years people are going to act like I've done a 180, because the concept of actually holding both parties to an equal standard is that unheard of in America today. People like me still exist, it's just a whole hell of a lot of us had their final straw when Dems closed rank to protect Bill Clinton lying under oath.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-clinton-lie-under-oath/
The 1/3 of the country that doesn't vote aren't in the middle of our two parties on any spectrum. They're looking at the parties on a measure of integrity and trustworthiness. And found both lacking.
Republicans aren't going to run someone that meets that standard, so all Dems have to do to win a presidential election is put up the only candidate who meets that standard in a general election. Stop focusing on "better than Republicans" and focus on "good enough for our voters".
Yelling at them to vote D doesn't work, so why not trying to give them what they want? It's better for all of us anyways.
You claim non voters saw the felon Trump and Harris and said to themselves “both sides are the same, I’m not voting”?!
This reeks of republican talking point.