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President-elect Donald Trump and his incoming administration are debating the extent of potential U.S. military action against Mexican drug cartels.

Options discussed include targeted airstrikes, cyberattacks, covert operations, and “soft invasions” using special forces. Trump has warned Mexico to curb fentanyl trafficking or face military intervention.

His key appointees, such as Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, support some form of military action, framing cartels as terrorist threats.

Critics fear this could escalate tensions with Mexico and spark significant international controversy.

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[-] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

What's USA's record against insurgents? I know Trump went to the Taliban to make a deal after more than 2 decades fighting them.

[-] thallamabond@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

We just elected an attempted insurgent!

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

Idk, seems to me like a successful insurgent. Maybe not an immediate result but, with no real punishment, and getting in anyway, he def got away with it, and rewarded for doing it to boot. If there are future (non sham) elections, the message is loud and clear, this I'd acceptable behavior.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

If he tries to cut a deal with them it'll probably include Texas annexation 😬

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 1 month ago

I wholly support Texas going elsewhere and shutting the fuck up.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Mexico can have Texas back. We should send them a Thank You card for doing so.

[-] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I'd be down, love their president and all she's for.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 8 points 4 weeks ago

He'll hand over the Mexican government to the Zetas in exchange for some empty promises.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

You joke but this proposal would effectively be a declaration of war on heavily armed criminals who already run parts of the country. There's every possibility he destabilizes the place enough that surrendering Mexico City to the Zetas is how it ends.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

It's a bit more complicated than most people realize. They know about Vietnam (loss), Iraq (win), and Afghanistan (loss). But there's also;

More recently -

  • The Philippines (win),
  • Lebanon (draw, objective achieved, but no decisive victory)
  • Somalia (draw, transition government was not deposed, no decisive victory),

And through the years -

  • The Indian Wars 1776-1923 (win, massive war crimes),
  • US-Algiers (loss, impetus for creating the Navy),
  • The Barbary Wars (win),
  • Taiping Rebellion (Win),
  • Kansas mini Civil War (1854, goes into actual Civil War, Abolitionist win)
  • Second Opium war (win)
  • Utah Secession (win),
  • Mexican Civil War (win),
  • Cortina War (win),
  • Formosa Expedition (loss),
  • Garza War (win),
  • Las Cuevas War (win),
  • Boxer Rebellion (win),
  • Mexican Border War (win),
  • Banana Wars 1912-1934 (win)
  • Philippines Rebellion (win, but they do resurface for a modern conflict)

You can see why we were a tad over confident going into Vietnam and even afterwards we thought we just needed to make some adjustments to our tactics.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Not remotely comparable. Different fighters with different experiences and motivations. Fighting next door vs. halfway around the planet changes logistics, uh, a teeny bit. Different US government and soldier motivations.

We've never done anything like this, no way to tell what will happen.

[-] mkwt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Well, except for all the other times we invaded countries in Latin America.

And except for that time we invaded Mexico all the way down to Mexico City.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

"Invaded" with both hands tied behind our back.

And my reply was to a post about failing in Afghanistan. So, uh, everything I said still stands.

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 6 points 4 weeks ago

Bro..

We didn't win at the Alamo.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 4 points 4 weeks ago

The good guys (the ones opposing slavery) won.

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 3 points 4 weeks ago

That is true, yes.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

We won at a hell of lot more times and places though. In fact the Alamo stands out partially because we were generally winning on the border region all the way through Mexico's 1920 conflict.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

And the United States wasn't the world's sole superpower. That's like saying Republicans defeated slavery. True, but things have changed just a bit.

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 points 4 weeks ago

The US still isn't the world's sole super power... I mean, does China not exist today?

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Well there was that one time, about 212 years ago, and ya’ll had a terrible time about it.

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