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Puberty blockers to be banned indefinitely for under-18s across UK
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this post was submitted on 11 Dec 2024
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There is about 40 years of real life use, and I think a good 20 years of study before that?
How much data from clinical studies and real world use do you need to feel comfortable?
But the permanent effects of puberty blockers are negligible...
What do you think is permanent about them?
I don't think you understand what Puberty Blockers are....
You seem to be wanting to ban something completely different.
The forty years worth of proof you are referring to is in almost all cases where the use was to block early puberty and then allow it to take its course at a normal age. There are very few case studies regarding the extended use of puberty blockers during the years where it would typically take place. I did mention these things.
How much proof I would need is a tough question because it obviously requires testing on children and it's an ethical issue. If a consensus of respected doctors were to agree, I wouldn't argue though.
At the end of the day, I'm not pretending to be an expert in puberty blockers, I'm saying that sometimes children need to be protected from themselves.
Which is what would happen if they decided not to go thru with transitioning as an adult...
Which is what you said you're worried about.
Like, you're still talking about something besid s puberty blockers:
Lots of children go on puberty blockers, the reason they're going on them doesn't change how safe they are.
I'm saying you don't seem to know what they are. The temporarily block puberty. That is it. You keep wanting to take it to a possible surgery later as an adult, and claim the blockers are a permanent and irreversible step towards that
When that is just factually incorrect.
It is not an opinion we disagree on. It is a fact and you are wrong.
Literally what puberty blockers are...
So children don't have to prematurely choose if they want to transition they take blockers until they are sure and mature enough to make that decision, which is almost always when they're over 18.
If they change their mind, they just stop taking blockers.
I legitimately have no idea how to state it any plainer than this.
That is quite obviously an assumption. You are extrapolating data and although I see the logic of your argument, it's bad science. The rest of your comment is based on this premise.
What?
You said:
And I replied:
If someone goes on puberty blockers, decides not to transition...
Then that is:
You keep saying your issue is with puberty blockers, but the only complaints you have is minors transitioning.
Since that doesn't happen, you seem to be mad at blockers
I've said everything I have to say and I can see trying to explain myself further will be fruitless.
If you honestly think that a child could block puberty up to the age of 18 or further and then change their mind and go through a normal puberty like nothing ever happened, then good for you, personally, I'm doubtful.
You know you can just not reply...
You don't need to reply and say you're not replying again like it's a warning.
I am fully ok with you spreading less misinformation about simple science on the Internet. It would be better if you actually understood anything we just talked about. But at this point just being silent is helping, so at least you kind of did the right thing in the end.
It's not a warning, I'm just old enough to know pigeon chess when I see it.
Who knows, maybe we'll get twenty years down the line, the evidence will be there and I'll be amazed at how wrong I was!
Good luck to you, I wish you all the best.
You keep saying that, as you actively keep shitting on the chess board.
I explained this as patiently and simply as is possible...
If you're gonna keep replying just admit your problem with puberty blockers is their existence allows adults to transition easier.
It's a bigoted opinion, but at least it would be honest
And here we are. "tRaNsPhObE!"
I've explained my point of view succinctly, we disagree, but it has nothing to do with transphobia.
Honestly, people like you are your own worst enemy. Shame on you.
You act like you get called a transphobe frequently...
Which would make sense if you were never asking in good faith and I'm far from the first person who has taken the time to attempt to explain and reached the same conclusion.
How often does this happen to you?
Did you ever stop and consider why other people aren't constantly being told their views are transphobic?
You do realize that's rare, right?
It's notable if it keeps happening to someone by different unconnected people...
I know that when you don't wholly agree with a person that unquestionably goes along with dogma regarding trans rights that it's only matter of time until the "transphobe" card comes out. It's no different to debating a Zionist about Palestine's right to exist, sooner or later you're going to be accused of being an anti-Semite.
I don't think that being concerned that children might make decisions they later regret makes me a transphobe, but if you do, you're entitled to your opinion.
I've already conceded that we're clearly not going to change eachothers minds on the issue. How long are we going to keep banging our heads on the wall?
Are you comparing trans people to genociders? What the fuck is wrong with you