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I actually think I’m with the boomers on this one. You should strive to be on time. No need to make a federal case out of occasionally being a little late, but it’s wrong to be constantly late.
If I need to be 100% on time, then I'm 100% leaving on time.
Every job I've had I'm one of if not the first to stay late. Need me to work a double even if it's not my job next? Not a problem boss. But be cool with me being 5-10 minutes late. I'll try to be there on time, but shit happens.
But if your gunna come at me for being a little late, I'll be damned if I'm gunna stay late to help you. Pick your battles
I wasn't arguing any different. By all means leave on time.
But this is part of why it is disrespectful. Look at nurses. If you are late, patients in a hospital can't just go without care. So that means the prior shift is asked to stay later. That's just one example.
I was solving a DNS issue that I resolved at 5.12 yesterday. If I had knocked off on time the website would still be down until January 2nd.
For the want of a nail...
So, you should get overtime.
I mean for that I'd have to be hourly, I'm salaried, which often works in my favor tbh. If I charged my hourly rate they'd find ways to nickle and dime me and be watching my productivity much more closely.
I get where you're coming from. It is nice to your fellow employees to be on time to relieve them. That's just being a solid team player.
But again, every team or job I've had understands if I'm a little late cause they know I'm putting in the work when I get there. Shit, after I got into a motorcycle accident and was bleeding down my side I still had the driver take me to work to talk to my boss. Stayed until the concussion made me leave haha. My boss at the time would tell that story to people who were a bit sluggish. Saying how even on the worst days there's no reason to not give it your all since YourPartnerInCrime came in half dead.
In hindsight it was a bit dumb. But, don't complain about me being 5 to 10 minutes late. I'll be there and I'll give it all.
I understand if it’s occasional. But constantly means you are not giving it all. Sorry, I just hate lateness. I am almost never late, but am constantly waiting on people that cannot meet at an agreed upon time. It just wastes my time and shows me they think their time is more important than mine. It’s a pet peeve.
I’m all for flexibility and flextime when it can be granted. But if you agree something happens at a certain time, it should happen at that time.
Exactly. If you're paying me from 8:00-5:00 I am starting at exactly 8:00. If my computer takes 5 minutes to boot, connect, etc., that starts happening at 8:00. If you want me online and responsive at 8:00, then you have to pay me for the boot time before 8:00. No pay, no work.
Worked retail and the end of shift crew always had to wait to leave at the same time with some bag check BS. Pile of shit thieving corporate and management would adjust the time to cut out payment of the last 5 or so minutes. The company is now defunct (taken out by vulture investment group owner entity after it was sold), otherwise it would have been nice to call the department of whatever deals with wage theft on them now that I know better. A.k.a.: if your company does time adjustments silently, consider this your signal and call the inspectors on them.
It really depends on what you do. If you're in a factory and the entire line is held up or someone is staying extra time from a previous shift then it's a big deal. If you're late to the daily IT stand up meeting you can get the notes from Brad.
Some jobs are more critical than others, sure, but it’s still disrespectful to make people constantly have to cover for you. Why does Brad constantly have to give you notes? What if both Brad and you are late?
If Brad is late then we get to go home, 15 minute rule, just like in school.
No but seriously, Brad is anyone who was there. Someone should be taking notes and sending them in a follow up. Because not everyone is going to be there all the time. Make your systems around people and they'll work better than just holding everyone up and getting mad.
And if no one is there?
I'm not saying everyone has to get mad over occasional tardiness. But when one employee decides his time is more important than mine because I always have to cover for them, and they are always missing when we start, fuck yes, I will be mad at them, not just as a boss, but as a fellow employee. Have some respect for your fellow workers.
Then you obviously have a structural issue.
And here we have another person assuming being late is a choice. This really is a toxic attitude.
The structural issue is having people constantly late.
And, yes, constantly being late IS A CHOICE. I'm not talking about hitting traffic, the kid or pet being sick, having to deal with an emergency, or stuff like that. I'm talking about people that are repeatedly, constantly, late to everything. People are not just born to perpetually be late.
Work isn't the only thing going on in their lives. They aren't robots that you own.
As I have said, occasionally something happens. But I know too many people that are RARELY on time.
And I’m a worker. I don’t say I own anyone. Being late fucks with your fellow employees that have to pick up your slack.
Then don't pick up the slack. Tell your boss they need to hire enough people so the shop runs well even when people are late.
There wouldn’t be slack if people were reasonably on time. Easier just to get rid of people that refuse to be on time.
It really depends what you do. If you're just strolling in to your desk and writing code, wgaf. But fuck anyone that schedules meetings for 8am.
We always scheduled meetings 30 minutes after latest start time which was 9.
As long as you made it to the meeting if it was scheduled and did your full hours, no one cared.
Depends on the job
Im always 1 to 2 hours late, sometimes I dont even show up and have a body double go in for me, and I keep getting raises. Don't worry I give the double a raise too
Why?
Because it often fucks over others who are either overworking themselves pulling your load or can't take their own break or lunch because you are late
It seems like this is more nuanced than simply black and white. Of all the jobs I've worked, about half of them had/have any ramifications for being late.
One job I had, if I wasn't on time to start the production process, the evening crew would have to stay later to finish. My current job on the other hand is WFH and project-oriented, so as long as I'm not late to a meeting, I could start 2 hours later and finish 2 hours later.
The question is why anyone would answer "why" have they never worked any of the types of job where people depend on each others effort in real time? Like 99.9% of low end jobs are like that.
Chicagodog and a couple of others here have never worked a job that requires even minimal collaboration, at least not in a time sensitive manner. Basic community effort skills would be necessary to get any task accomplished even in a labor-free communist paradise.
No hate to those users either; they are clearly just clueless due to inexperience, and it’s good that there are others to educate them.
Or they can also refuse to take on extra work. Why are we assuming that the amount of work the boss sets is the exact amount that must be done?
In my experience at the lower rungs of retail, the bosses will assign 100% of your non-break time to 80% of the work that needs to be done. I have far more experience with understaffing than busy-work.
Because others have to pick up your slack. Because others have to waste their time waiting around for you. Because it's unfair to other staff that wind up working longer than you.
Or they could just not either
Not an option if you expect to stay in business.
So it's up to labor to work extra hard so the boss can own a business? Yikes.
If the labor wants to have a job, yes.
It's sad that workers can't even imagine a world where they are in control