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Churches close their doors as fewer Americans attend
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We'll replace it with more commercial real estate squatting.
See you in the Library.
The library isn't community, you can't even talk to people there. It's a quiet place by its very nature.
And squatting? That's better, but it's ephemeral. You can't get attached to your squat, the cops can come at any moment and then everyone has to bail and find a new squat. That's not good enough.
You do know that the vast majority of libraries have events going on every week? From dozens of book clubs through movie clubs. Heck, my local library had a troupe of mongolian gymnasts come through that was ridiculously fun.
Libraries are way more a public forum than churches ever will be. Go to any bible belt church in the south wearing a rainbow and you likely won't even be let in through the front door. Or walking in with the wrong color skin.
I cannot speak for the South, but I do see that quite a few churches in Colorado seem to have prominent signs outside saying "EVERYONE is welcome" etc.
I imagine like Scouts of America, many churches have to adapt or die. But Colorado is definitely not the South....
sure. but how long are they welcome for? And how much do you need to align your culture and beliefs and how act and talk and dress, and even sway to the music, to stay welcome?
Even in churches that supposedly celebrate diversity... there will always be some sort of overriding homegenousness. Even if it starts with "we recognize the value in people different from us", anyone who doesn't gets asked to leave; and it's just a different kind of sameness.
Oh, of course, but I'd say that holds true for so many institutions. Just try to truly be yourself on the job, for example... LOL.
But yeah. This is probably why I don't go to church.
No. I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe if you're in a city? My local rural library does jack shit, it just has a few shelves and a computer lab. That's not community, not the way the local rural church is with soup kitchens and holiday events.
It sounds like your library is underfunded, but you should check with them anyway because they probably are doing things, you just don't hear about them for various reasons. Local governments love to cut library funds and then use the lack of use to cut it further, and making it hard to know what events your library does is part of that.
My local library suffers from the same issue, but we at least have a community center the town built with meeting rooms and a gym that you can use for events. The closest city just renovated one of their libraries to include a second floor with meeting rooms and a cafe. I think another one had kitchen space added to it.
Churches are really just community space that got a pass from conservatives and capitalists in the rush to commidify every part of the human experience.
Every library is underfunded, and yes, that's because the right hates communal spaces. We don't have a community center, there's like, 1200 people spread out over a 15 mile strip of seven different villages. There's the church, and nothing else.
Skill issue. The local library in my home town does a readalong every weekend and a bunk fund every month.
Churches aren’t community centres and they are highly exclusionary. Libraries are vastly undersold to the public but they do still offer TONNES of services and hold all kinds of community events. I’ve personally seen them as part community centre, part summer camp, or part theatre, among other things. They offer programs to help the homeless, they let you use the internet for free, and they are places of learning that aren’t spewing nonsense. They do so much for the community and they don’t even require you to do or believe anything in return.
Churches only have as much of a community as anything else that gathers weekly. My weekly social dances have the same thing, someone else might have a big game night at a board/cardgame shop, and others may go to the pub. One place near me has a giant folk music jam you can just roll up to to play or watch. Churches aren’t only not the only place to go for community but they’re also not even that good at it.
This fact (and I see this in the Denver area, too - the libraries here have always just blown me away in their excellence, although maybe some areas have even better ones) is why I think the libraries are under assault by the right. They seem to just fundamentally hate the idea of building healthy community as an alternative to the only public interaction that seems to compute for them, and that is commerce.
The first murmurings I heard of this was right after 9/11 - there seemed to be this concern about terrorists using the Internet w/o monitoring or something. Also, they were worried about "porn". And "freeloaders" reading books/watching movies without paying Amazon! In any case, it seemed rather piecemeal, but you could tell that the qons probably never really loved libraries (just like their hatred of the USPS) but were trying to formulate something to put an end to it.
Then, in more recent years, they seemed to have arrived at the trans thing and this narrative of librarians being "groomers" and they have really cranked up the assault on librarians and libraries....
It’s simple, they can’t fathom the idea that they wouldn’t get something in direct return for doing a job and that’s the corr philosophy of libraries. They will, of course, underpay any and all staff and claim “that’s market rate and you should be happy” so we aren’t allowed to be mad when we don’t get paid.
Libraries are a thing that genuinely exist for the love the game. Every conservative so broken by the system that they genuinely believe that the only way to enjoy work is by being lazy, because any passion has been stripped from them, cannot understand this. They cannot understand doing something and allowing that betterment to come around later to help fund the library.
Conservatives are wildy unimaginative and full of a hatred they’re too emotionally stunted to control. They turn that hatred on the weak and vulnerable instead of their bosses who kick them in the teeth every morning and in the ass when they leave work later. Libraries are happy places, and they left true joy behind a long time ago.
I agree with all of that. It is fairly obvious to me that a lot of qons just generally hate humans that are not their immediate family (and in some cases, they hate even them). See how they treat the notion of ANY public spaces, unless they are of the xtian kind. I mean, the notion of making benches impossible to sleep on, so that the homeless have nowhere to go. The way they treat libraries. And public schools.
I think some of this hatred of public services/goods even underlies some of their hatred of USPS, since it is something that benefits nearly everyone.
One one level, I kind of understand how some uppercrust qon douches like Elon might have an aversion to public goods because they have accrued such obscene wealth that they don't need them. But when the person that is barely scraping by, but glued to Faux and waving their silly donvict flags? I just don't understand how these people are dragged into the same mindset. I get that a few whites/men get annoyed at seeing anyone else benefit from government services in any way whatsoever, so I guess that is at least part of it.
Churches aren't good enough, but the are certainly community centers.
We don't have any of that shit, and a pub is not a communal space. You have to pay for it.
We have a church. A shrinking church that will die when all the boomers die. That's it.
Ok, so it sounds like the church is a bad community investment but if the building is repurposed into a community centre run by the municipality then that’s the best option, no? It can even hold religious services for multiple religions now that it’s just a building.
Also you could totally have dances in a church! The social dances where I’m from are held in the basement of a church on Fridays. Before it moved to a community centre the organization where I live now held them in a church that had been converted like I mentioned above.
Your issue is a lack of imagination, not a lack of church.
That's what's happening now in England. The Church of England is selling off redundant churches and church halls, and encourages the buyers to continue using them as community spaces. I know an architect who bought a church hall in our neighbourhood, has put a large amount of money into restoring it after decades of under-investment, and has converted it to his home and offices for his business, but he's also kept the main hall available for community groups. There are dance groups for kids, political party meetings, t'ai chi classes, and a book circle, and those are only the ones I've noticed.
I also noticed on a visit that a former church in Amsterdam is now a leather club.
Oooo fuck yea that’s awesome! The conversion in England sounds fun too :P
But yea that’s very uplifting to hear about, I’m glad the architect to make that work and that the town has taken to it so readily.
you misunderstand it's the corporate landlords squatting on the prime real estate they snapped up from the church so their competition can't move into town. I'm sure they'll attempt to murder anyone trying to survive on their vacant land.