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Summary

Churches across the U.S. are grappling with dwindling attendance and financial instability, forcing many to close or sell properties.

The Diocese of Buffalo has shut down 100 parishes since the 2000s and plans to close 70 more. Nationwide, church membership has dropped from 80% in the 1940s to 45% today.

Some churches repurpose their land to survive, like Atlanta’s First United Methodist Church, which is building affordable housing.

Others, like Calcium Church in New York, make cutbacks to stay open. Leaders warn of the long-term risks of declining community and support for churches.

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[-] happydoors@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago

I worked for an agency helping close a midwestern diocese. They branded it a positive thing but I was in the meetings with priests hearing the low down and how closings will go. It’s sad. Half the priests are old and just trying to get through. The other half want to help but are being told the cost of their renovations is more important. Let it crumble.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago
[-] esc27@lemmy.world 121 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Boardroom meme:

Boss: Church attendance is down. What can we do to turn this around?

Person 1: discreetly move pedophile pastors around to hide their proclivities?

Person 2: assure the congregation that we still hate gay people

Person 3: follow the teachings of Christ and show love and charity to our neighbors regardless of who they are

Person 3 is thrown out the stained glass window.

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 15 points 3 days ago

Good riddance.

[-] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 277 points 4 days ago
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[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago

I pray to God everyday that i can live long enough to witness the day humanity completely abandons religion. Inshallah🙏

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[-] Antiproton@programming.dev 36 points 3 days ago

Oh no! So, anyway...

[-] Chessmasterrex@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

From what it seems to me, the megachurches are doing okay. It's the more traditional denominations that are suffering. Overall religion might be on a decline, but certain sects are flourishing. One silver lining about some of the megachurches is that they're led by a strong personality and once they're gone, the whole organization putters out. They're more organized around an individual than a theology.

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[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Now the religious companies that remain are all merging together or being bought out by larger religious companies. They change their names to some douchey name that sounds like a shitty christian rock band and franchise. Somehow they're still allowed to be non-profits despite being so much for-profit.

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 days ago

No, don't close your damn doors, open them up to the homeless. Make these useless buildings good for something!

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[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 66 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Some churches repurpose their land to survive, like Atlanta’s First United Methodist Church, which is building affordable housing.

That's something more churches should do. They always preach about "helping the poor" but most don't give a fuck.

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[-] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 171 points 4 days ago

Great news! Maybe we can finally tax these cults as well.

[-] ryan213@lemmy.ca 70 points 4 days ago

Taxing them would force more closures. Do it.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago

The internet is killing God but giving birth to a new age of conspiracy theorists.

So, not much has changed.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago

They feed on gullibility and a craving to be pushed around by authority. Sadly, those aren't going away anytime soon.

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[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 45 points 4 days ago

Interesting that they can't stay afloat financially, because they don't pay taxes.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

Sometimes parasites suck their hosts dry.

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[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 46 points 4 days ago

And yet, somehow, they still make all the policy in this country.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 135 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

As churches decline we're losing what is, essentially, a free communal space. Church was a place where people built community.

We need to replace it with something, not just cheer because a shitty religion is dying.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 119 points 4 days ago

So you're saying we should have more boardgaming conventions?

I'm all in on that proposal.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

Or convert them to crack houses.

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[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 86 points 4 days ago

That "community" is a judgmental indoctrinating shithole that destroys people.

Good riddance.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 49 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Okay, but that community also kept me from being homeless as a child. I got to eat food when otherwise I wouldn't.

We need to replace it, we can't just let community die with nothing in its place.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 64 points 4 days ago

churches are closing

Good

Leaders warn of the risks

The risks of what? The risk of not returning to the dark ages where we damn near all believed the imaginary writings of goat herders and killed for that?

Thanks, no thanks, I love that risk.

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[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 94 points 4 days ago

Pit of vipers closes due to insufficient snakebite volunteers.

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[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago
[-] putainsdetoiles@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Good! Fuck 'em!

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

45% is considerably higher than I expected. I thought it would be closer to 10-15%.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago

Membership is not the same as attendance, and it's WAY less than the number of people giving financially.

I was a preacher at a 1200-member church that had weekly attendance around 150-200.

And based on the demographics of the area, we received less than 1% of the annual income for those who did attend regularly.

The thing about churches is that they don't require payment of any kind, and kind people will dedicate time and effort in a very loving way that is inefficient, when what we really need is cash.

My go-to example is the quilting ladies who spend 40 hours each on handmade quilts using expensive materials to give to the poor. It's extremely kind and their work is exquisite, but with the money spent making those quilts for 20 people, we could buy blankets, a couple weeks of food, and new clothing for 50 full families.

The thing about giving money, though, is that it feels impersonal to the person giving the gift. This is also why the poor should be taken care of through taxation. Taking care of people's basic needs shouldn't need to feel intimate and spiritual - it should be routine and boring.

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[-] alzjim@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

Hallelujah!

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago

The small churches that are more likely to actually be charitable and are more likely to be inclusive will shut down. The bigot-run megachurches will be just fine.

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

fucking good.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago
[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 61 points 4 days ago

Government grifters and charlatan faith leaders have completely debased the idea of 'Christianity' over the past few decades to the point where most people associate Christianity as some joke religion that no one really takes seriously.

Personally, I see anyone who proclaims themselves as Christian as a liar, bigot, narcissist and someone lacking in empathy for others. Sure you can tell me about Jesus Christ but I associate anyone who claims him are just paying lip service to the religion and that they are just psychotic sociopaths who are only interested in power and money.

I don't mind Churches dying out because they've basically destroyed their own religion themselves.

Unfortunately, humans are a dumb species that rely heavily on wanting to believe in something so once this religion dies out another one will take its place and repeat the process. It's been happening for thousands of years so I don't think we'll stop that tradition any time soon.

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[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago

Crazy that it takes the church shitting down for them to actually follow gods message of giving to the poor.

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