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New York becomes first US city with congestion charge
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ultimately people that are not able to pay will have travel restricted further than high cost of owning a vehicle does and trapped citizens will not equal democracy when only the privileged get to travel
Traffic is a travel restriction.
According to Google Maps during rush hour a car can take 24 minutes to 55 minutes, with an average of 45 minutes to go from Battery Park to Central Park.
It takes less than 2 hours walking from Battery Park to Central Park. Note, this is a slow walk.
Biking takes less than 36 minutes for the same distance. Note, this is for a leisure bike ride.
Cars are also a major air, and noise polluter. On top of that cars also kill and injure people.
If you think about it, cars restrict travel of people in Manhattan than anyone else.
You forgot to include transit, which could be as low as 25 minutes
In New York only the wealthy use cars anyway. They have very robust public transit.
My dude, you just defended steak in a vegan spot
Of the many things that can be publicly subsidised and made available to the public at large, car travel to one of the densest areas of the country might not be one of the most worthy.
There are discounts and tax credits for those with low income who live in the area, and exemptions for people with medical conditions that prevent them from using public transit source.
Street parking in NYC is $9 an hour, and long term parking garages typically charge like $400 per month. If you’re driving in NYC the $9 per day congestion pricing isn’t going to be the thing that makes it unaffordable.
So, banning cars outright then? I'm in
Oh no!
I wonder how every other large city fixed this issue?
Another commenter shared Tokyo, and I can explain what they did:
Tokyo as a whole made it extremely difficult to own cars. To own one, you need to prove to the government that you have a dedicated parking space. There's also a high tax on it and on insurance premiums. My Japanese friend told me how his family used to car share with the entire neighborhood. Uncertain if this is a Tokyo thing.
Public transportation is ridiculous. You are always about a 10 minute walk to a subway or bus.
Highways are underground, which encourages cars to get out of the street level.
Wait is this not normal? Because I'm pretty sure this is how it is in my third world country.
Reflecting on this, I've been to maybe a dozen cities in the US and this is "technically true" too.
Maybe what I want to say is convenience. In Tokyo, you might take 1-2 trains routes, tops, to get anywhere. Then it's also a very pleasant walk to get to your destination.
Where In Seattle, Philadelphia, Austin, and New York, those cities have a lot of routes. But then you're walking in some sketchy places, or it's next to a highway or wide open parking lots. Some cities don't even have good routes. Like my city, to get from 20th Street to 100th street, I have to ride to the hub on 1st street, to then take another bus. It's like an L-shape.
Maybe those cities aren't big enough. Kyoto, imo, also would fail my convenience test. Where Osaka, another major city, would pass it.
By not having 15 million citizens in one city?
Have you ever heard of Tokyo?
Toyko USA? No, I have not. Which state is that in?
I can see you're in the state of ignorance
Don't play dumb.